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06-04-12, 11:01 AM
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Cavalry c.1916 All Gilding Metal (Economy) Badges - Bank Holiday W/E Project!
Guys,
as I've some time off work for the Easter weekend, I thought I'd get this one off the Ground! Being quite certain that there are only "26" (Click on 26 for album)Regular Infantry Economies, I thought I'd canvas members in an attempt to nail down how many Regular Cavalry Regiments there were that had these made? Now I'm sure this is going to ruffle more than a few feathers, so if you have the breaking strain of a "Kit Kat" it's best if you just sit on the fence! lol  The guidelines for the Infantry Badges, i.e. sliders in ALL but one example (RS), I'm certain still applies, so please no offers of "Lugged" badges, only if they are replacements and the slider remains can be seen. However the edict that only badges previously made in "Two Metals" (Bim) seems to have been ignored by the "Cav" (9th Lanc) and also that badges were struck in one piece also seems to have been overlooked (10th Huss).. I will create an album later, but here is what I have "so far". Leaving out the c.1916 badges already made in Gilding metal/Brass, Green are the ones I have examples of and which I'm almost certain are genuine, Red are those I have examples but not 100% happy they are genuine. The Black are those I hope to turn Red/Green or eliminate from the list with your help! Also I hope to turn some of the Reds, Green too! Those marked * appear in John Gaylor's list (Military Badge Collecting). Kk *1KDG 3DG 4DG 5DG *6DG Image to follow RSG 3H 4H *5L 6D *7H *8H See Here *9L *10H *12L 13H *15H *16L *17L See Here 18H *19H *21L (??) Possible 1916 Cav EIs 22 Confirmed (IMO) 10/11 There are some above which should be eliminated because they were in all White metal, however having found a genuine 9th Lancers Economy I though someone may have a 17L,18H. The following are not shown above 1Dgns (wore small eagle 1911-19), 14H (Cartwheel 1915-29). the 21L I'm not 100% of, the example shown has a nice slider and front, but the rear detail is not quite right! Please do not be offended if you post a badge to find that I or others cast doubt on it's authenticity, that's the whole intended purpose of the thread! I will alter the colours and tallies as the thread runs, so please check the starting post (#1). Enjoy, keep an open mind and thanks in advance! Andy Last edited by 2747andy; 20-12-13 at 09:23 PM. 
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06-04-12, 11:29 AM
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Andy
I would debate the 1RD small eagle being worn from 1915-20..... "if" it was it was only by the soldiers who had been posted to South Africa prior to the Great War. I have photos of the small eagle badge being worn on Salisbury plain in 1914 on their return from SA..... but during the Great War I have photos of 1RD only wearing the Royal crest. I also have photos of the standard issue Tommy helmet painted black....with "1RD" painted in red on the front. There is another bit of reasoning behind this as well, the Kaiser "was" Colonel of the Regiment prior to the War..... this probably led the Regiment to adopt the eagle as the cap badge...... and like the 1st KDG they dropped its use at the outbreak (or just after it began) of war and reverted back to the Royal crest because of the German connection. The brass 17 Lancer below is what I believe to be one of the brass maker varients worn during the Great War.
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Last edited by GriffMJ; 06-04-12 at 12:06 PM.
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06-04-12, 11:51 AM
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Griff,
whatever the dates they were not wearing the "Royal Crest" in 1916 and that was the point! I used Gaylor when I should have checked here first! Your images of the Motto are awful, so I could not say! However I've yet to see one in brass that I would add to my EI collection! Andy Last edited by 2747andy; 06-04-12 at 11:57 AM.
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06-04-12, 12:10 PM
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Andy
Yes the info in the HC website is very good is it not  I have put up two Firmin made 17L brass mottos for your perusal above....... I have more brass maker variants...... best not flood the thread with a pile of bones too soon
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06-04-12, 12:16 PM
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Griff,
the one in the middle looks promising how the heck you can be certain who the maker is when the slider is not marked is just pure guess work IMO. The one with the exagerated tapered slider I'd write off straight away. Many thanks Andy
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06-04-12, 12:50 PM
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Going through my image libray on the 17L there are only two brass motto types that I would put in the Great War period and they are the ones I have shown. The "V" eye type is a Gaunt made varient as it appeared again in the 1980s looped and blackened (black metal ....not painted) for NI.
I have later types .... but they are Gaunt made looped NCO Arm (not Chads) or belt buckle mottoes or the later Firmin Cap Motto.
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Last edited by GriffMJ; 06-04-12 at 01:40 PM.
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06-04-12, 01:06 PM
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Andy
Not about to explain it either Agree on the over tapered slider to a degree but the Motto shows good eye features front and back.... its this "particular" Firmin motto thats been reproduced..... but in this case I would say its good.BTW, below is the early Great War period "V" Eyes White Metal with its later Fake 1mm x 15mm J.R.Gaunt.London....... next to the "good" brass version. Then a better close up photo of the White metal... (I also have an Officers silver, Cold War)
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Last edited by GriffMJ; 06-04-12 at 01:59 PM.
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#8
06-04-12, 06:40 PM
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Dimension?
What are the lengths of your 2 KDG examples Butty? They should be less than 50mm.... Happy Easter
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#9
06-04-12, 06:47 PM
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Happy Easter to you too! Andy
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#10
06-04-12, 07:13 PM
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KDG
Hi Andy
Howard beat me to it attached KDG Less than50MM. Regards 3748 Hussar
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#11
06-04-12, 10:19 PM
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6th Dragoon Guards
Andy,
Here's a pic if you can access it of a 6th Dragoon guards all brass cap badge. ebay 300655004804 Sorry I can't post a pic because I'm an old Luddite, but if you can access the pic you will see it came with a sweetheart brooch, it has a slider, is in gilding metal and sixty years of collecting says it's an original. Rob
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#12
06-04-12, 10:37 PM
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Rob,
from the image I would agree 100% that, that is a genuine badge... What a bargain lot! I'll have a play around with the image in the morning! As they now belong to you, may I save the image? Awaiting Image Andy Last edited by 2747andy; 07-04-12 at 10:29 AM.
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#13
06-04-12, 11:22 PM
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Hi Andy please feel free to look through my albums i have a RSG which is the best ive seen so until im 100% sure it stays.
Malc
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08-04-12, 02:51 PM
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I just realised that my albums are private so not everyone can see them so here are the badges i have, and before you ask Howard its approx 46 mm, also i have attached two 6th Inniskilling Dragoons which im not 100% happy with but i keep because of lack of evidence.
Happy Easter All Malc
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