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Old 21-08-18, 12:56 PM
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Hello chaps,I'd like your thoughts on this one, genuine?anyway to date it?
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Old 21-08-18, 04:17 PM
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the flaw running across the forehead is a sign of a fake/copy
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Old 21-08-18, 06:48 PM
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I think this is one of the "Winking eye" variety, a fake . . !

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Old 21-08-18, 07:05 PM
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I would have thought, just from the photographs you show, certainly not genuine and regarding a date, a glance at the reverse suggests of very recent manufacture.



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Old 21-08-18, 08:04 PM
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AHH too bad,I liked this one but at least I've learned something.Thanks fellas.
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Old 22-08-18, 02:27 AM
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Hey Deadeye

Whilst you may be able to shoot straight your photos need some improvement !

How about trying again and get some more light and better focus to show the detail so that we can assist with your Motto.

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Old 22-08-18, 01:04 PM
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Hello Phil,I'll have a bash taking a pic outside and see how that looks.
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Old 22-08-18, 01:33 PM
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How's this look?closer or further away better?
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Old 22-08-18, 01:35 PM
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Definitely very modern for the reasons given.
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Old 23-08-18, 07:46 AM
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How's this look?closer or further away better?
G'day Deadeye

That's much better.

First the left eye has a "wink" ie, it is not as deep or as defined as the right eye, this suggests that the die has been repaired at some time and has the "funny look". The two eyes should be symmetrical, that is look the same.

Second there is a large fault line on the front of the skull that extends from eye to eye. Again this is a sign of a damaged die and the Regiment would never have accepted or used a faulty strike Motto.

And for your benefit the Regiment always refers to this as a Motto, the word badge is never used by the regiment to describe its cap insignia. The Motto has been in use since 1759 and is currently used by the Royal Lancers.

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Old 23-08-18, 05:43 PM
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Hello Phil,thanks for the explanation of what the wink was about and I didn't know they referred to it as a motto and not badge so I've learned something there cheers,it's now in the sin bin/reject pot!
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