Liverpool Regiment shako ..age please ?

[arrestingu]

Hi ,
Can anyone be so kind as to date this shako period.
Thanks
steve

[41st]

Steve,
It is an 1881 pattern plate for the home service helmet. Shakos had been discarded by that time. As to whether it is a genuine example or not, I have my doubts.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[arrestingu]

thank you !!! can anyone confirm if its real ???
many thanks !!

[49lassiepen]

Modern band helmet plate looks genuine 1of the most common [£25.00] loaded board in my album I have very large collection of band h.p including 10 blue cloth helmets and 2 pith A few examples in my album
David

[Paul Spellman]

Drums platoon c.1992
Paul

[arrestingu]

Many thanks !!

[Peter Brydon]

One of 3 variations made for bandsmen, two variations illustrated in the photo.

P.B.

[41st]

Peter,
Any idea why they are using a Victorian crown on a modern band plate?
Kevin

[49lassiepen]

Kevin no idea why ,but common to all post all late 50's amalgamations Queens Lancashire examples [Q.V.C/Q.C ]shown in my album .Only seen 1 K/C back plate this was in the D and D regimental museum This is brass k/c plate with bimetal centre -Not the all brass plate on a blue cloth helmet Repro and never worn which is for sale on a dealers web site

Paul I always thought the corps of drums was as peters top plate and mine on the right There was an article on this in the M.H.S

David

[41st]

Thanks David. Interestingly I've just checked a photo I have of the Goat Major for the Royal Welsh and he is wearing a KC plate.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[leigh kitchen]

Could it be that the Victorian Crown version was used as that was the cheapest contract available?
Someone had St. Eds, someone Kings Crown, but the manufacturer with the Victorian plate die whether original or produced to churn out fakes/repros turned out cheapest to commission?

[Paul Spellman]

Originally Posted by 49lassiepen

Kevin no idea why ,but common to all post all late 50's amalgamations Queens Lancashire examples [Q.V.C/Q.C ]shown in my album .Only seen 1 K/C back plate this was in the D and D regimental museum This is brass k/c plate with bimetal centre -Not the all brass plate on a blue cloth helmet Repro and never worn which is for sale on a dealers web site

Paul I always thought the corps of drums was as peters top plate and mine on the right There was an article on this in the M.H.S

David

Hi David,
I was led to believe this type was issued to the Drums Plt. in 1992 for public duties that from an ex Kingo whom I know. I guess it may have been part of a commission specific for them duties or may have been reissued from the Band ?
Paul

[Peter Brydon]

David is right the original helmet plates for the Kings Corps of Drums only were very poor quality items made abroad ( Pakistan I think ) and were based on a sand cast copy of an officers helmet plate with a very poor anodised badge as a centre. ( Article by David Rutter in MHS Bulletin 1976 ). The only thing that can be said in favour of those helmet plates was that at least the crown looked like a QE2 crown.

At some stage the Regiment adopted a new design helmet plate being a back plate with a separate hpc. I think I am right in saying that the first examples had what looked like a non voided Victorian crown on the back plate and later examples had a voided Victorian crown.

Paul is right that when the Regiment carried out public duties ( 1992-94 ) whilst officers and other ranks were in blue, the Corps of Drums were in full dress with Home Service pattern helmets and this uniform was also worn by the band.


I think that Robin Hodges is in the process of writing the history of the Kings from the amalgamation with the Manchesters until the creation of the Duke of Lancasters Regiment and hopefully he will cover the various types of insignia worn during that time.

P.B.

[Peter Brydon]

Just to complete the thread, I had forgotten I had a picture of the most recent modern Kings home service pattern helmet that I have owned.

This example has a back plate that is more like a QE2 example.

P.B.