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Old 22-03-20, 03:11 PM
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Not sure if this the right place to post, but can anyone tell me if this is a pre-Independance badge. I think post 1947 the insignia would have incorporated either theChakra or the lion capital as in other official badges.
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Old 22-03-20, 04:50 PM
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The Bharat Scouts and Guides of India were formed in 1950 and use the badge design as per the attached image. I have no documentary proof about the badge you have shown, but I would anticipate that it was in use pre-1947 and upto the point that this one was issued.
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The Bharat Scouts and Guides of India were formed in 1950 and use the badge design as per the attached image. I have no documentary proof about the badge you have shown, but I would anticipate that it was in use pre-1947 and upto the point that this one was issued.
Hi Wooffy

Id agree with you on this, whilst I don't have the metal badge illustrated I do have several cloth badges on green for scouts and red for Rover Scouts with the joint scout and guide badges on them.

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Old 23-03-20, 06:45 AM
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Thank you gents!
Googled a lot, but nothing coming. I guess it is a pre-47 badge, but would have liked to know more..

I do have an India Scouts 'For War Service' silver badge for 1941.

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Old 23-03-20, 08:33 AM
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Can't give specific date for India but found this :

"Soon it appeared with a cut-out 5-pointed star in the middle of the top leaf , each of the inner and outer points of the star being said to represent one of the then 10 Guide laws, as an extra aid to remembering them."

"In 1932 it was altered again, this time to have a straight stem and stalk rather than a curving one."

"In 1968 it changed once again, now having a much narrower scroll"

So , cut out star , straight stem and wide scroll would date your badge somewhere between 1932 - 1950/51.

https://lesliesguidinghistory.webs.c...misebadges.htm
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Old 23-03-20, 10:43 AM
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Thanks Mike Vee!
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Not sure if this the right place to post, but can anyone tell me if this is a pre-Independance badge. I think post 1947 the insignia would have incorporated either theChakra or the lion capital as in other official badges.
Hi,
According to this site http://www.vintagegirlscout.com/intI.html your India guides trefoil promise badge was adopted in 1951. Prior to this they would have worn standard UK issued Guides badges (i.e. scroll reading 'Girl Guides' adopted 1932)

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According to this site http://www.vintagegirlscout.com/intI.html your India guides trefoil promise badge was adopted in 1951. Prior to this they would have worn standard UK issued Guides badges (i.e. scroll reading 'Girl Guides' adopted 1932)

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I think that site has simply got the date on the wrong picture .

On 15 August 1951, the All India Girl Guides Association joined the new "unified" Bharat Scouts and Guides and would have adopted their badge.
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I think that site has simply got the date on the wrong picture .

On 15 August 1951, the All India Girl Guides Association joined the new "unified" Bharat Scouts and Guides and would have adopted their badge.
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I agree, the date on the picture is confusing. I found a picture I had from a GG magazine dated 1944 showing a few countries promise badges. The Indian GG badge c.1944 was the same as the then UK badge. This same badge was used in the colonies as well. So my assumption is that the GG promise badge with 'INDIA' title is post 1947 to 1951 when they joined the Bharat Scouts.

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Thanks for the info , it is beginning to look like this was a very short lived badge.
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I agree, the date on the picture is confusing. I found a picture I had from a GG magazine dated 1944 showing a few countries promise badges. The Indian GG badge c.1944 was the same as the then UK badge. This same badge was used in the colonies as well. So my assumption is that the GG promise badge with 'INDIA' title is post 1947 to 1951 when they joined the Bharat Scouts.

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Thanks for this Steven. very useful. By any chance is it possible to have a better scan of the pages so I can read them. Maybe as two single pages. But don't bother if it's too much trouble.

This badge has turned out to be a nice find. Steve, do you have any info on the Boy Scout India 'On War Service' silver badges which were issued during WW2. I have one with the date stamped on the back. There are others with the date on the front of the badge.
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Old 25-03-20, 12:09 PM
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Here is the badge
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Old 26-03-20, 05:33 AM
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Hi Kyber,
I do have a slightly better scan of the page but difficult to post as site reduces the image quality. If you PM your email I can forward it to you.

What is written about is basically a bit of news as written in the weekly addition of the 'Guide' magazine, so nothing specific to India.

I found this page from a scan of the whole magazine and can be found on guider.co.uk website

Currently my internet service is very haphazard as we are going into lockdown and the internet is been inundated with usage bringing it to a virtual standstill.

Unfortunately I have no information on the boy scouts badge you have. I interest is with Girl Guides badges.

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