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RNVR, RNCVR, RANVR others
Request help:
RNVR, RNCVR cap badges had a KC. The RINVR, however, had a cap badge with a naval crown ( described as a brig, end on, flanked by two half brigs ) The RIN had a KC cap badge. Did any other R-VR cap badge ever have a naval crown ? Have a RNVR spoon ( attd pic ) with a naval crown - as on RN ship crests. |
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RNVR, RCNVR, RANVR others
This is a very interesting question because, as far as I'm aware, all RNVRs around the Commonwealth wore/wear Kings/Queens Crowns on their badges.
All the pictures I have seen of Royal Indian Navy (RIN) or Royal Indian Naval Volunteer Reserve (RINVR) personnel show them wearing the appropriate King';s Crown naval badge. Where did you come across this information regarding the RINVR? And was it dated? I have attached a couple of images of Sub-Lieutenants in the RINVR. The first is of Sub-Lieutenant Hamidullah Khan Burki RINVR and is dated February 1943, The second is of Sub-Lieutenant P.E. Jenner RINVR. Both are wearing a King's Crown cap badge. Pete |
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RNVR, RCNVR, RANVR others
Here's a better version of the picture of Sub-Lt. Burki.
Pete Last edited by Guzzman; 26-06-16 at 05:33 PM. Reason: Incorrect spelling! |
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RINVR
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I have some photos of the 1941-45 period. One taken at HMIS Adyar on 12 Sep 1941 shows an RINVR officer wearing a cap badge with a distressed / attenuated crown 'approximating' a naval crown. Will look around if this insignia was a one off or elsewhere too. Some photos in the RIN (1612 - 1950), IN (1945-1950), PN (1947-1972 ) books are not too clear. |
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[QUOTE=pinfrin;365997]Request help:
RNVR, RNCVR cap badges had a KC. Did any other R-VR cap badge ever have a naval crown ? QUOTE] You have the RNCVR & RCNVR mixed up here - which is quite normal, it happens regularly. The RNCVR was the Canadian branch of the RNVR during the 1WW period. It ceased to exist in early 1919, after war's end. The RCNVR was established in 1923 & continued until merging with the RCNR post 2WW, in 1946. Both RNCVR & RCNVR had distinctive KC cap badges, altho the RCNVR lettering was dropped at the beginning of 2WW. The 'naval crown' was never worn by any unit of the Canadian Navy. Bryan |
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The South African division of the RNVR, which existed from 1913 to 1949, also wore cap badges with the KC.
In the British tradition, cap/uniform badges have the royal crown, and ships' badges have the naval crown. The emblem on the teaspoon appears to be a unit badge of some kind (possibly unofficial), rather than a cap badge. It's possible that the RINVR replaced the royal crown with their own naval crown during the period when India was a dominion (1947-50) and the reserve was still "royal".
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Regards Arthur |
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Here is a supposedly RIM/RIN cap badge from the pre 1950 period,
how accurate this badge is I cannot say but thought might mention in this topic: Bryan |
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Hi Bryan
Must admit that this is a new one on me! Very interesting. It resembles the old dockyard police badge for overseas dockyards - with the addition of the scroll bearing the word 'India'. Perhaps it was the insignia of Indian Dockyard Police? I have attached an image of the standard Dockyard Police badge I was thinking of. Pete |
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Whatever the badge represents Pete it sold for 68 Pounds or approx C$120, quite a good price realized I would say!
Be nice if someone might be able to ID it positively, Bryan |
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A good price indeed! There have been one or two examples of this badge on ebay recently. Other than being 'naval' and 'Indian' no-one seems to know anything about it.
Hopefully someone will identify it one day. Pete |
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RIN
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Will trace it some day. |
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I had family members who were merchant navy wearing MN cap badge early on in WWII before signing on to RNVR and changing the badge to the KC RN cap badge. Steven |
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Pattern 47 officers cap badges were also made in New Zealand during WW2.
So far I haven't been able to identify one. They were about half the cost of the imported badges. Barry |
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