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Old 26-08-19, 06:00 PM
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Default LIVERPOOL PALS - HEX LUGS

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Old 26-08-19, 06:48 PM
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Whatever, it is Pattern 8520/1915



Hex lugs are found on many Scottish G badges etc - might they have been used under presure of production ???
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Old 26-08-19, 07:05 PM
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It’s genuine.

Same badge was discussed in this thread https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=74641
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Old 22-09-19, 11:29 AM
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I've seen a few (photgraphs) to convince me that they are genuine.


That makes ANOTHER Lpl Pals badge to get !


Otherwise complete OR versions........


OR badges do not have a gap between eagle’s legs.
LP/14/D2Other Ranks 1st (unofficial issue); Elkington, 1914 -longer larger tails xxx xxx
-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Solid die cast in gilding metal - original dark bronzed. 2 cu NS loops 6.7. H 37, W 37, Wt 13.50g. <373>

-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Solid die cast in gilding metal – bronzed. 2 cu NS loops 6.7. H 37, W 37, Wt 11.44g. <269>


LP/15/D3Other Ranks 2nd (1st official issue) Pattern 8520/1915 - slightly thinner, prominent beak, longer tail, small feet
-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal – bronzed. 2 cu NS loops 7. H 37, W 37, Wt 6.11g. <271>

-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal– bronzed, worn. 2 cu NS loops 7.5. H 40, W 37, Wt 6.04g. <272>


-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal– bronzed, worn. 2 cu NS hexagonal loops x.x. H xx, W xx, Wt x.xxg.


LP/17/D4Other Ranks, 3rd (2nd official issue) Patt 9483/1917 BP&Co thin head – tail, tight wings..
-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal– bronzed, very little wear. Slider (B P & CO LD. B’HAM 3) 37/7. H 38, W 37, Wt 7.55g. <273>

-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal– bronzed. Obverse painted in brown ‘bronze’ colour as per Pattern. Slider, 38/9. H 38, W 37, Wt 7.62g <275>


LP/17/D5 slightly thicker head, prominent eye, well defined feathers, brims of chapeau higher and sharper, feet slightly blundered.
-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal– bronzed. Slider 35/8. H 37. W 37, Wt 7.54g. <274>

-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.” Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Die struck in gilding metal – bronzed, worn. Long tap slider 48/15. H 36, W 38, Wt 6.51g. <318>
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Is there a photo of the front of the badge in the opening post ?
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No they were made like that. The demi lion Tyneside Scottish is also found with hex’s.
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No they were made like that. The demi lion Tyneside Scottish is also found with hex’s.
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