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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=013
I could not help be amazed at this price. It is not in K&K Vol 2. It bears the same arms as the Wandsworth Pals but is either a cadet badge not shown in K&K, a VTC badge (again unrecorded and unlikely as K&K shows 2 examples for Wandsworth) or a municipal badge and not military at all? http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...tryGB%26sa%3DN The arms of that of Wandsworth Borough Council. Therefore is this the local Emmanuel School OTC or a very expensive Council employees badge? Last edited by Alan O; 06-01-24 at 10:16 AM. |
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Wandsworth OTC badge
As a collector of local OTC badges, (I don't live in London) the buyer is in my opinion an experienced collector/dealer who sells badges on ebay which are, as he says 100% original.
This may well have been the badge he needed to fill a gap in his collection, it is not a badge that I crave for, but if that's your gap filler, then buy it. We only pass this way once, so treat yourself, life's short . . ! |
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Some Wandsworth Cadet units mentioned in Rawlings and in Westlake ( Territorial Force Cadet units 1910-1922) including interesting references to WANDSWORTH SCOTTISH CADET CORPS but nothing that positively identifies this badge. Look forward to see if anyone can add anything.
P.B.
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A further check of K&K Vol 2 shows that it is not the Wandsworth based Emmanuel School as their OTC badge was considerably different. It does not look Scottish in any way and the sldier is all wrong for Scottish headgear of course.
Best bet seems to be Wandsworth Grammar School. I can as yet find no record of an School OTC though. Alan |
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Alan,
I did not think for one moment it was anything to do with the Wandsworth Scottish, I was just very interested to learn that there was such a unit . Peter
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I'd like to think it's a municipal badge just so the buyer (also an ebay dealer/seller) has got stung for not doing the research! |
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I agree about the VTC badge. It is most unusual for there to have been 2 patterns and both of those state VTc in their design. The chances of there being a third type are remote.
I have looked through all of the stuff on line about the Grammar School, including a prospectus advertsiing its facilities, and can find no record of an OTC. 8th Foot furnished me with an article on OTCs written at the time of their existance pre-war and there is no mention of it either. The article did say that it did not show some small OTCs mind you. The possibility that it was a tramways or some sort of municipal badge is seeming to be getting stronger. I don not have the chapter on OTCs in Reginald Coxes book - can anyone confirm that it is not shown in Coxes book at all? Alan |
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Alan I confirm it is not in Cox.
Mark |
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Wandsworth badge
Original post edited by self as I was rather stating the obvious. Sufficient to say I tend to agree with the school of thought which suggests this may be a municipal badge.
Regards John Last edited by johnG; 01-12-08 at 04:03 PM. Reason: Original posting a bit irrelevant. |
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This is a fascinating thread and I hope we can eventualy positively the item ( echo`s of the Manchester Tram badge stir at the back on ones memory )
It does raise a number of other questions, I am sure that this badge has nothing to do with the Wandsworth Scottish Cadets but I do wonder what badge they wore ? Were they affilitated to the London Scottish perhaps and wore their badges ? Is it worth contacting the buyer ( if that is possible ) and asking him what he thinks he has bought ? This is what the hobby ( and the Forum ) is all about . P.B.
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14 bids and a selling price of £160. I'd say somebody knew what it was! And, the buyer is a regular badge seller on wickedBay. Is Emerson a member here? Perhaps he could tell us.
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I dont know Emerson personally although I have bought items from him in the past through E.B..
I am sure we will all look with interest to see if the items appears for sale in the near future and to see ( if that happens ) what it is described as . If I can add a couple more bits of info. Attached is a list of the Wandsworth units listed in Westlake " Territorial Force Cadet Units " Also in an article in Crown Imperial ( No 95 Summer 1999) on The Veteran and National Reserve by Johm McKenzie the author states " Although the NR was not a uniformed body..there is in existance a certain number of cap badges..........." Going on to discuss lapel badges he says " with the help of collectors I have been able to record and describe approx 160 different items and 20 of the 29 London Boroughs Could this be another possibility ? P.B.
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Not the best of scans but I hope I've attached it okay. Mark Last edited by Alan O; 05-01-24 at 05:24 PM. |
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Army List 1919 shows that they were indeed affiliated to the 14th Londons. I have found this picture of a Wandsworth Scottish badge. Last edited by Alan O; 31-12-23 at 11:30 AM. |
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I had been under the impression for many years the below was the Wandsworth Scottish Cadets badge?
Edit: just noticed this is a thread from 2008. |
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