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Old 07-12-10, 05:12 PM
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As I expand my collection of East Surrey and London related regiments collections I was wondering if I needed to include 'T' London titles without numerals. Would I need one in brass and one in blackened brass?
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"T" over "LONDON" without numeral would be worn on the greatcoat?
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Old 07-12-10, 06:37 PM
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Thank you, and what are the dates? Please accept my apologies for may ignorance.
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Thank you, and what are the dates? Please accept my apologies for may ignorance.
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I've always thought them to be later, the square style of the T seems to be closer to the post WW1 period yeomanry titles, although the T worn under the officers bronze collar badges was always square so I have to be honest and say I don't know for sure.
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Cant speak for the T/LONDON titles but the "T"`s on the Kings ones are similar to the "T"`s on the full territorial titles ( i.e with battalion numbers ) and were worn, I understand, on the greatcoat at the same time that the full terrritorial titles were worn on service dress.

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Thank you, Keith, which ones should I procure to be reflective of 21st and 23rd Londons, already having the numbered titles.
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Am I right in thinking the very plain 'Greek Cross' Ts are post 1920?
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Thank you, Keith, which ones should I procure to be reflective of 21st and 23rd Londons, already having the numbered titles.
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I think either will do Matti, both carried on into the 1920's when the 'Greek' T supposedly came into being. Interesting to see Peter's King's one with the traditional T though but I can't recall ever seeing a London one like it.
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T LONDON and T CITY OF LONDON with the "T" variants
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Thank you GGA I forgot about the 'of' London variation. As I'm after titles representative of the 21st and 23rd do I need to look out for the 'County' title too?
Amusing after thought..didn't W G Grace have a County of London cricket team?
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According to Ray Westlake - Collecting Metal Shoulder Titles. "T CITY OF LONDON (1563, 1564) and T LONDON (1565) are listed in the 1920 Priced Vocabulary of Clothing and Necessaries for wear by City and County Battalions respectively. these titles are often seen in photographs worn on the jacket. They are more frequently seen, however, being worn on the greatcoat. Subsequent issues show the titles as once again including the battalion number."
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