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Old 27-02-21, 12:20 PM
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54 Bty is the man to ask regarding Artillery badges
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Old 27-02-21, 12:32 PM
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I know these are faked and these all have a lug with a pimple on the end not seen it before good or bad?
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KC gun cap badges in no particular order
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Old 27-02-21, 12:57 PM
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Gun badges are OK thus far.

The one with the closed crown and on broken loops is Canadian Arty not RA.
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Old 27-02-21, 01:30 PM
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The 4 Scottish Volunteer Artillery glengarry badges are in my opinion modern fakes, artificially aged and of poor quality.

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Old 27-02-21, 02:37 PM
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Hi Simon I have not seen one of those badges that I know to be right but I have seen some new ones that are truly awful so I have given one of them a bit of a clean pictures are ok but the colours a bit off more brassy in real life and I still don't know
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Old 27-02-21, 02:42 PM
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Neil,

Everything still screams fake to me, colour, poor defination, wear etc.

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Old 27-02-21, 02:50 PM
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Your Scottish Artillery Volunteers badges are what prompted me to post my latest thread since I know they are all in the Martin Marsh catalogue but couldn’t find them.

As Simon states, everything about them screams fake. The loops too do not look right. All are smothered in dried polish on the back. These have been repro-ed vast quantities certainly since Martin Marsh Militaria days of the 1980s and likely long before so some could be 50 years old now.

I’ve never seen a genuine badge to any of these units.

When I find the MM pictures I will post them here if interested.
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Old 27-02-21, 03:11 PM
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Couldn't get this on the last post
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OSD?
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Gilt full size
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Gilt 3/4 size officer quility but slider
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Don't know what to make of the quaility of these
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To modern for me to know about
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Old 27-02-21, 03:45 PM
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The last badge is RA Piper, 19th, 40th and 103rd Regiments.
All three regiments had Volunteer Pipe Bands, each about 16 strong.

103rd Regiment, (Lancashire Artillery Volunteers) is (or was?) a TA Regiment.

19th (Highland Gunners) and 40th (Lowland Gunners) amalgamated to form19th (The Scottish Gunners) in December 2012.

19th Regiment Robertson Hunting Tartan
40th Regiment Clan Hume Tartan.
103 Regiment Clan Crawford Tartan.

Your badge appears to be identical to one I have, bought on forum in January 2019 and stated by vendor to have been acquired by him from a TA unit in Glasgow in about 1990.

I stand to be corrected, but I think that an earlier version of the badge had the gun mounted rather than being a one piece badge.
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Old 27-02-21, 04:31 PM
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Thanks to Simon and Luke about the glengarrys and Leigh for the information on the pipers
On martin marsh the pictures in the catalog are quite poor maybe a good set of photos of them at some point would be a good idea, not volunteering

W/M the second one has a strange coating G/M underneath
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These all seem to be the same strike judging by the uneven spacing of the bolts in the wheel hub
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OSD
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Old 27-02-21, 05:04 PM
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Regarding the two WM badges.

The second has to be gilding metal which has been nickel plated because its a 1917 strengthened version badge. I am assuming the slider is the same silver colour?

As for the first, if the slider is silver coloured as it appears to be, though it may be the photos, it too is a GM badge that has been plated.

Neither could therefore be classed as WM.

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