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Old 16-05-11, 06:00 AM
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Default Royal Irish Rifles Regiment

I have this badge - it is blackened brass

I understand this is from the pre 1914 period

Can an expert give me an opinion - just picking up RIR badges as I find them for family history purposes.
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Old 16-05-11, 06:35 AM
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Wayne,
this is almost certainly a restrike made only a few years ago and nowhere near the period it is supposed to date from.

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Old 16-05-11, 08:16 AM
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are there anything particular to look for in these badges?

I see quite a few on e bay but never quite sure what is real or not
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Old 16-05-11, 10:02 AM
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are there anything particular to look for in these badges?

I see quite a few on e bay but never quite sure what is real or not
Wayne

the consensus among collectors is that the scroll ends should be pierced (voided). This blackened brass version was sealed in 1903 and its replacement (same design but white metal) was sealed in 1913.

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Old 16-05-11, 10:07 AM
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Wayne

the consensus among collectors is that the scroll ends should be pierced (voided). This blackened brass version was sealed in 1903 and its replacement (same design but white metal) was sealed in 1913.

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Wayne,
as pointed out by John, the scroll ends are a good indicator (but not always).. also hairpin sliders (those folded at right angles to produce a larger surface area at the point of fitting) rather than the standard "L" shape are a good sign!

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Old 16-05-11, 11:15 AM
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Wayne the only maker non voided that i know are genuine is ones made by F.N B'ham

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Old 16-05-11, 07:53 PM
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thanks for the update guys - I have a WM with both voided ends and hairpin slider so will keep looking for black version
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Old 19-01-13, 11:11 AM
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Hello,

I was just wondering if this one was genuine. I think it is but just wanted to check with those more knowledgeable. Many thanks!
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Des,
I'd say yes and a later version (possibly by F.N.)!

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Old 20-01-13, 11:21 AM
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Hi Andy,

Many thanks for replying. When you say later version, what period are you talking about? Thanks.
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Old 20-01-13, 11:45 AM
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That pattern was worn from 1913 onwards. I'm not sure for how long, certainly after 1939 and possibly up to the 1950s ?
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Des,
as Julian points out this pattern (Whitmetal with King's Crown) had a long period of use! The earlier badges tend to have voided scroll ends and sometimes hairpin sliders! As a pure "guesstimation" I would say yours dates from around the Second rather than the First World War?

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Old 20-01-13, 01:21 PM
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The design was in use by the Regular Bns from 1913 until 1958 when it changed to the a/a Brigade badge. It was continued to be worn by the TA Bn for some years after that until replacement by the a/a Q/C version. This change is reflected in Maj Edwards' seires of books.
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Old 20-01-13, 01:33 PM
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Although this badge started life as Royal Irish Rifles in 1922 it changed to being the badge of the Royal Ulster Rifles.
I was always under the impression that the badges with the unvoided scroll ends were either fake or made by FN prior to 1922.
The badge was worn by many Royal Ulster Rifles TA soldiers right through untill they were rebadged to the Royal Irish Rangers in 1968.
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Old 21-01-13, 11:52 AM
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Many thanks for the replies and useful feedback Gents.
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