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Old 30-11-15, 12:23 PM
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Yes the WWII Phonetic Alphabet was different to the later NATO Set;

A Able
B Baker
C Charlie
D Dog
E Easy
F Fox
G George
H How
I Item
J Jig
K King
L Love
M Mike
N Nan
O Oboe
P Peter
Q Queen
R Roger
S Sugar
T Tare
U Uncle
V Victor
W William
X X-ray
Y Yoke
Z Zebra
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It's interesting to note that 149 Sqn RAF starred in three feature films of the period all of which were verging on propaganda. "The Lion has Wings", "Target for Tonight" and "Journey Together". Mike
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Mike, The link you posted shows a Short Stirling Mk I bearing our plane's markings. This could probably narrow down the date frame. Would the same markings be painted on a Mk III?

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Mike, The link you posted shows a Short Stirling Mk I bearing our plane's markings. This could probably narrow down the date frame. Would the same markings be painted on a Mk III?
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At the risk of sounding flippant I suppose it depends on the attrition rate of Mk I aircraft. I think that the code OJ was replaced by TK on conversion to Lancasters - c Sep 44. Mike
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Funny ... this is the version I recall:

A for 'orses (hay for horses)
B for mutton (beef or mutton)
C for 'th highlanders (Seaforth Highlanders)
D for 'ential (deferential)
E for Adam (Eve or Adam)
F for 'vescence (effervescence)
G for police (chief of police)
H for respect (age for respect)
I for Novello (Ivor Novello)
J for oranges (Jaffa oranges)
K for 'ancis, (Kay Francis), or K for undressing
L for leather (Hell for leather)
M for 'sis (emphasis)
N for 'adig (in for a dig, or infra dig.)
O for the garden wall (over the garden wall)
P for a penny (pee for a penny)
Q for a song (cue for a song), or Q for billiards (cue for billiards)
R for mo' (half a mo')
S for you (it's for you)
T for two (tea for two)
U for films (UFA films)
V for La France (vive la France)
W for a bob (double you for a bob)
X for breakfast (eggs for breakfast)
Y for Gawd's sake (why, for God's sake)
Z for breezes (zephyr breezes, see West wind)


Explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_Alphabet

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The Stirling in the background looks to be a turretless Mk IV, which came into use in early 1944.
The roundel on the underside of the wing of the Stirling in front must be artistic licence., see: http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNe...-Round-Up.aspx

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Old 01-12-15, 08:21 AM
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Thomas, Thanks for your comments and helpful link. I will need to go through it at length to corroborate your points as I am certain my publication harks to 41-43 period.
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Nice little item. The way the cammo goes near full depth of the AC just an artistic licence or were Stirlings in a certain period turned out like that? Regards Paul. ( Very 'The Snowman' like in its art work but I doubt 'The Bomber' would be a Christmas hit.)
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I can't but help think that the cover artwork was based on this pic, also featured in the pamphlet
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The way the cammo goes near full depth of the AC just an artistic licence or were Stirlings in a certain period turned out like that? Regards Paul.
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Cammo definitely turned out like that (full depth of AC). There is a B&W photo in the book with identical cammo contouring from nose to tail.

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By 1940 standards, it certainly was a "giant" moreover the enemy had nothing to match it, sadly, this particular aeroplane remains much underrated.

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To be fair with the interest shown in this thread and for the sake of completeness I thought it apt to post the pamphlet's full cover, i.e. open-spreaded. This also gives a better indication of a 'Giant' bomber although it's a pity that scanning limitations prevent the full vista.
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Old 06-12-15, 12:09 PM
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By 1940 standards, it certainly was a "giant" moreover the enemy had nothing to match it, sadly, this particular aeroplane remains much underrated.
From "Famous Bombers of the Second World War" by William Green 1960. He concludes on the Stirling; "There can be no doubt that, at the time the Stirling's specification was framed [1936], the operational conditions and requirements that were to exist six years later were not foreseen, and the design of the Stirling was such that it could not be modified to meet the new demands. In consequence, its career as a first-line heavy bomber was relatively brief. Nevertheless, as the RAF's first four-engined "heavy" of the Second World War, the Stirling occupies a particularly important place in the history of that air arm."
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Old 06-12-15, 12:51 PM
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Well, I really don't care whatsoever, various people have and will criticise this aeroplane, but, again in 1940 it stood out for many reasons, it's payload was not matched and it's very high wing loading, because of the short wingspan, meant the Stirling was more manoeuvrable and could turn inside many contemporary fighter aeroplanes.
I have always believed it to be ahead of its time, moreover, it continued forward with a further lease of life in the SD role with Rebecca.
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Old 06-12-15, 03:13 PM
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Certainly correct for those early production aeroplanes.

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Nice little item. The way the cammo goes near full depth of the AC just an artistic licence or were Stirlings in a certain period turned out like that? Regards Paul. ( Very 'The Snowman' like in its art work but I doubt 'The Bomber' would be a Christmas hit.)
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Old 06-12-15, 05:29 PM
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I guess our cover bomber is a Mk I - at least the tail fin extra-tall flash was used on the Mk I.

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