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Old 25-11-18, 07:06 PM
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1954? If you'd got a wiggle on it could've been a King's Scout Badge.
A friend of mine a couple of years older gained his King's Scout at about 16 years 6 months, the King died soon after the badge was presented, so friend Ginger, being of an original turn of mind and a glutton for punishment, argued long and hard that there was nothing in the rules ["Policy, Organisation and Rules"] to stop him doing the complete marathon again to become a QS. The District Commissioner found it easier to allow this than argue.
Ginger didn't get a second badge but he did get a second certificate, which may have made him unique to go along with being mad.
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Old 25-11-18, 07:11 PM
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JT: I will have to dig for the 1903 reference but will do so. I fear that the pattern numbers were beyond my interest in the long ago when I did the research ....... the hobby has moved on!

My odds and sods are in the attic, only the good stuff is in my study. Next time I ascend I will fight the tarantulas and look. One unofficial cloth badge that I recall is clearly cut from KD sewn on an SD backing and with hooks [as in hooks and eyes] to attach to uniform.
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Old 25-11-18, 08:52 PM
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JT: I will have to dig for the 1903 reference but will do so. I fear that the pattern numbers were beyond my interest in the long ago when I did the research ....... the hobby has moved on!

My odds and sods are in the attic, only the good stuff is in my study. Next time I ascend I will fight the tarantulas and look. One unofficial cloth badge that I recall is clearly cut from KD sewn on an SD backing and with hooks [as in hooks and eyes] to attach to uniform.
Great stuff. Look forward to those.

Thank you.

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Old 25-11-18, 08:56 PM
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Yes, they sound very interesting.
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Old 26-11-18, 08:29 AM
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Indeed, a lovely collection you have there, the large examples do seem really quite scarce things these days.

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Would be like the large one shown below.

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Old 26-11-18, 01:41 PM
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If the larger badges were withdrawn circa 1907, it may certainly go some way to account for the relative scarcity of them, but, where does this information come from?


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Ditto... it'd be very interesting to see these if possible.

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...I'd be interested to learn the source of your info for the introduction in 1903. I believe the larger scout badges which were reduced in size in 1907, were Patterns 6249/1905 (first class) and 6250/1905 (second class). Can you confirm or dispel either way?

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Old 26-11-18, 02:30 PM
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If the larger badges were withdrawn circa 1907, it may certainly go some way to account for the relative scarcity of them, but, where does this information come from?
Frank,

This information comes from the ACD Records of Changes.

'Badges Arm Scouts Gilding Metal with Plates and Pins - Cavalry incl. Household Cavalry and Infantry - ACD/Cav:/993'

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Not sure that he is a Wilts Yeoman? Their cap badge was white metal until post 1947. If you look at his buttons he has a mix of GS on the pockets and Hussars half balls on the jacket opening. The shoulder title looks straight.
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Old 26-11-18, 03:10 PM
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Could somebody with access to actual examples, or official records, provide dimensions for these badges; larger and smaller patterns, please?

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Could somebody with access to actual examples, or official records, provide dimensions for these badges; larger and smaller patterns, please?

JT
Does this earlier post help?

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...22&postcount=1

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Mine are as follows:-

Large with Bar = 83mm x 45mm

Large = 69mm x 45mm

Small with bar = 44mm x 25mm

Small = 37mm x 25mm
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Old 26-11-18, 03:27 PM
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Mine are as follows:-

Large with Bar = 83mm x 45mm

Large = 69mm x 45mm

Small with bar = 44mm x 25mm

Small = 37mm x 25mm
Thanks both. Just what I was looking for.

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Old 26-11-18, 08:57 PM
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Frank,

This information comes from the ACD Records of Changes.

'Badges Arm Scouts Gilding Metal with Plates and Pins - Cavalry incl. Household Cavalry and Infantry - ACD/Cav:/993'

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No mention of the black felt backing then?
In any case I have seen a photo [tunic order]of a scout wearing the badge with white backing to match his facing colour.
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No mention of the black felt backing then?
In any case I have seen a photo [tunic order]of a scout wearing the badge with white backing to match his facing colour.
No mention.
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Old 27-11-18, 04:11 AM
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G'day Guys

I have both the Scout badges with and without bars but don't have both sizes of the 2, nor do I have a Queen's Scout badge that I earned as a Senior Scout but do have several different examples in my Scout Badge collection.

However I do have a copy of the small red fabric covered copy of Gale & Polden's Military Series, Aids to Scouting for N.-C.-Os. & Men By Lieut.-Gen. R.S.S. Baden- Powell dated 1909.This is a second edition.

The book is 4 3/4" wide by 5 3/4" high and has 178 pages with a few small drawings but no illustration of the badges them selves or any information as to how and where to wear them.

I hope that this helps.

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