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5th BN
Mike,
I am afraid I cannot help. Once they leave the Regiment I do not continue to follow them or research them. Very sorry. regards
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Hi Simon,
Welcome to the forum, about time! It will be good to have your expertise here, though as you know I am thinning out my Manchester Regiment collection to focus on my CEF badges. From all the posts on this thread, the membership here is thirsting for a true Manchester Regiment expert! Cheers, Ian. |
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Manchester Volunteer Battalions
Welcome to the Forum, Simon.
I would be interested in seeing your Volunteer Battalion badges sometime. Perhaps you could show them in an Album. Cheers, Tinto |
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Ian and Tinto, thanks for the messages.
I will add some more photos soon. Regards
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Hello Simon,
Well, I just wondered what your thoughts were on this, interestingly, the sealed date, according to K&K vol 2 is 1964, where as their white metal badge is shown as 1949. I actually much prefer their old city coat of arms to be quite honest though. Regards again Frank Quote:
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Regarding the non-piercing (voiding) of cap badges as an economy effort during the Great War. I have only come across the following two entries. From The RACD List of Changes vol 16 page 31 Badges Forage Cap R.A., R.E., A.S.C. non piercing of. ACD/Badges/12 30/6/1916 There is no objection to piercing being omitted in the case of R.A, R.E. and A.S.C. cap badges where large numbers are concerned, as a war measure only but the proposal to substitute tape is not approved. Signed . J. Steevens, 26-6-1916 Col. J. Steevens ranked as a Maj. General and was the Director of Equipment & Ordnance Stores in 1914. This appears to be the beginning of the ‘project” and I have not seen anything to extend it beyond the corps mentioned. Within 5 months the following entry appears in vol. 16 page 53; Badges Forage Cap, non-piercing of. ACD/Badges/14 18/11/1916 The result of adoption of unpierced badges has been somewhat quicker delivery at slightly reduced cost. I do not consider that my requirement of these badges will, in future be so great as to warrant the continuation of what the units no doubt consider the disfigurement of the badges. I assume I may order pierced and thus eliminate probably complaint. Approved: The unpierced badges are only a temporary emergency signed H.A. Anley A.D.D.C. Q.M.D.G. 18.11.16 A.D.D.C. = Assistant Director Dress & Clothing. While not proof positive that Infantry badges were not intentionally subjected to the elimination of piercing I have not come across anything for Irish Infantry or Cavalry regiments in regard to the elimination of piercing. I have however seen that ACD/Patterns/3253 of 29-8-1916 authorizes non-piercing of metal shoulder titles for the period of the war. An entry in vol 19 page 38 notes representive samples to guide contractors of the following titles, King’s , Cornwall, R.A.M.C. Cheshire, R.W. Kent, T Monmouthshire, R.D.F., Seaforth, S. Staffs, Shropshire ,and Somerset being “sealed” under pattern 756/1916. Whether any of these non-pierced titles were made and issued before cloth titles temporarily replaced the regular metal shoulder titles I do not know, I certainly have not seen evidence of Irish ones being made. John |
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Welcome Simon you,ve caused quite a furrow! enjoy all the best billy
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titles
hello, im contacting you in desperation simon, i looked at the titles you told me
about on e bay, but unfortunatly they are not the type im looking for. im trying to obtain a pair of manchester titles but they must be the woven type not printed. im puting to gether a battle dress as worn by myself in the mid 50s, and need to get hold of the titles. if you happen to have a spare pair, or know where i may be able to obtain apair i will pay a good price for them. hope you can help. yours ron, ex manch regt |
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Mike The 5th Battalion Battalion formed part of the British Expeditionary Force and in April 1940 went to France. After being involved in a major defence, the BEF went into retreat, a vast amount gathered on Dunkirk beach (codenamed "Operation Dynamo") where they joined other armed forces waiting to be evacuated by hundreds of little boats and ships. More than 330,000 soldiers were rescued and taken back to Britain. The 5th were evacuated, having suffered light casualties compared to the 2nd Manchesters. The evacuation began 26th May and ended on 4 June. In November 1941 the 5th Battalion was redesignated 111 Regiment Royal Armoured Corps (The Manchester Regiment), November 1942 the Battalion became an armoured car regiment of 77 Division, November 1943 reverted to its original infantry role as 5th Manchesters. In 1944, following Royal Guard duties at Balmoral, Battalion was posted to Malta November 1945 and remained there until November 1946 when the 5th was disbanded. |
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Mike,
I am familiar with the history of all the Battalions in the Regiment and stand by my reply. You asked about badges worn by 111 Regt, RAC. This was not part of the Manchester regiment during this time, but as you quote, formed by them on conversion to an armoured unit. When they reverted back to infantry they wore the Regimental badge but what they did Inbetween I have no idea. Regards
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Hi Simon
I live in Blackley, Manchester and have just joined myself I am not a collector (at the moment) but was interested to note that you are interested in the Manchester Regiment. I became interested in the Manchester Regiment when as a result of ancestry research I discovered that my great uncle was in the 2/5 Manchesters and was killed in france in 1917. I am currently a serving Police Officer and on occasion military medals are handed in to the police station and never returned due to lack of information about the owners. I recently returned a Manchester Regiment war medal to the museum that was handed in, as it was the best place for it. |
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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Thanks Simon I'm really pleased to have it.
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The second of your pictures show the colour patches that I asked you about last week. I found this post while looking for examples of the Manchester colour patches. I thought if you saw them you would now know what I was talking about. James. |
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James,
If you mean the 42nd East Lancashire Divisional badges, (the coloured numbers on diamonds), those are nothing to do with the 6th VB, they were introduced in WW1 and worn by Territorial Bn's on their upper arms and occasionally on their Wolsley Helmets. Could you repeat the question, and I will try to answer it now I know what you are referring to bythe term colour patches. regards
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