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Old 05-06-19, 11:40 AM
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Default New Zealand Cyclists Company

Does anybody know anything about this unit. The badge is 50 x 35mm
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Old 05-06-19, 11:48 AM
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This may be a starting point.

http://www.specialcollections.auckla...harles-southey
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Old 05-06-19, 12:02 PM
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Complete Regimental History.

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/schol...-WH1-Cycl.html
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Brilliant,many thanks.Andrew
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Also very rare.

If you're looking to sell, I'd be very interested.

Cheers, Tim
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What a splendid badge,

Neve seen one before, so lovely to see.

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Does anybody know anything about this unit. The badge is 50 x 35mm
A very nice NZ Reinforcement cap badge, during WW1, it was generally only worn in New Zealand and on transport ships to Egypt and Europe.

The badge itself, was designed by Smith & Sherlaw who were Jewelers in Featherston camp, their 1st Cyclist Company badge design was registered on the 6th April 1916.

The badge IMO was never issued as is mentioned in one of the links, instead it would have been sold over the counter.
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Made by a Wellington maker, C.M. Bay. You may find that it has a very small "R.D." (Registered Design) number on it somewhere - e.g. "R.D. 380".

I've heard that Bay (or his agent) would visit the camp(s) on a semi-regular basis to take orders and even produce designs for them.

At the back of my mind too is a half-remembered story that they had what we would today call a "pop up shop" selling the badges.
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Old 07-06-19, 08:56 AM
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You may find that it has a very small "R.D." (Registered Design) number on it somewhere - e.g. "R.D. 380".
At the bottom of the badge.
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Old 07-06-19, 09:25 AM
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Made by a Wellington maker, C.M. Bay. You may find that it has a very small "R.D." (Registered Design) number on it somewhere - e.g. "R.D. 380".

I've heard that Bay (or his agent) would visit the camp(s) on a semi-regular basis to take orders and even produce designs for them.

At the back of my mind too is a half-remembered story that they had what we would today call a "pop up shop" selling the badges.
As a Wellington local, I am a keen researcher and collector of badges made by Wellington makers, do you have a picture of a C.M. Bay made Reinforcement Cyclist badge that you can share?

Many Jewellers/Watch makers set up shop within the military camps during WW1, so it wouldn’t surprise me that Bay was one, but so far have seen no advertising evidence that supports Bay opened a shop at either Trentham or Featherston camps.

The Registered Design / RD number at the bottom of both the Reinforcement Cyclist Cap and collar badges is RD838-9.
Both RD838 and RD839 are registered to Smith & Sherlaw, Watch Makers and Jewellers from Levin who set up a shop at Featherston Camp.


The following cropped WW1 photo shows Smith & Sherlaw’s shop at Featherston Military Camp.



This cropped WW1 photo shows J, E. Fitt, Watch Maker and Jeweller shop at Featherston Military Camp.



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Hi Guys,
A nice badge macandpud.
Yes Brent, I can confirm too that both my cap and collars are marked to base as RD 838-9.

Can you tell me anything about the other NZ Cycle Corps badge pictured.

Many thanks
James
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Old 08-06-19, 08:39 AM
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Further to the C M Bay query, Its extremely rare to see any maker marks other than RD numbers to Reio badges.
Attached is a 19th Collar, which has a maker mark, but I can't figure it out as its so faint and also with age, my eye's aren't what they used to be (even with glass and a magnifying glass!!!!)...:-).... It has no RD number to front.
The NZ Army Ordnance Dept Badge is just to show a C M Bay maker mark.
All the best
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Can you tell me anything about the other NZ Cycle Corps badge pictured.

Many thanks
James
Info from diggerhistory website :

"RARE New Zealand Cycle Corps Brass Hat Badge. This early badge predates the Territorial era and was worn in Auckland by the Volunteer Cycle Company there.

It was very possibly revived early in WW1 when the Cyclist Company was formed at Featherston as there are bronze and white metal examples of this badge that appears to be WW1 manufacture."

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-.../nz-specs2.htm

New Zealand site has one for sale at $850.00
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Old 08-06-19, 06:33 PM
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Hello Mike,
Many thanks for the info and link.
I must admit, after watching years and years of Trademe, I don't think I have ever seen a bronze or white metal version, and maybe only one or 2 of these gilt brass types.
Interesting the use of 'Corps' to the front of the badge though.... as if it was a 'Volunteer' unit based in Auckland, it surely would not qualify as a Corps, rather a Unit, Battalion or maybe Regiment.
Always thought the NZCC was formed in Egypt/France in 1916.

Many thanks and all the best
James
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Old 09-06-19, 07:49 AM
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Not sure how factually accurate the diggerhistory info is , I think a lot of their descriptions are based on 'word of mouth, rather than documented facts.

I found the link and thought it could be a starting point for further research.

I know very little about badges ...... but am good at Googling !
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