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Old 15-10-18, 04:49 PM
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I found this cap for sale on eBay, supposedly a 1916 issue, with oilskin marked with name, broad arrow and 1916 (which i can't make out from the pics) but I have a few concerns;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW-1-Serv...p/263952612941


1) Shouldn't the peak be smaller for a wartime issue? I thought the larger peaks were post 1921?

2) The lack of ventilation "eyeholes" on either side over the ears.

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Any input much appreciated!

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Old 15-10-18, 05:16 PM
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Not something I know a lot about, but it has WWII era plastic buttons.
It does have eyelets, it's just possible to make one out on the left side in image 5.
I haven't got a list to hand to check the years for the "L" code.
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Old 15-10-18, 05:26 PM
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Well spotted on the eylelet - I missed that!
I know the brass buttons were replaced with leather at some point during the war, but plastic is not a good sign, methinks.
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A quick search on forum shows "L" for 1945, 1946 and 1953.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ighlight=Codes
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A quick search on forum shows "L" for 1945, 1946 and 1953.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ighlight=Codes
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Looks wwii or later and L confims that, as do the buttons and the peak size and the wide chinstrap.

I I dont know off hand when collett started manufacture, but it looks later.
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It is possible that the number 1916 is the Clothing Catalogue number.

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It is possible that the number 1916 is the Clothing Catalogue number.

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L was used in WWI to indicate issue from the London Depot.

A shame the seller could not take a good photo of the markings. At the very least it has had later buttons and chinstrap added to it. I still think it is probably a later cap from the above and the peak.
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Does the colour etc of the liner, black, tan etc have any bearing on the date of manufacture?
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My two penny worth is that this is definitively not WW1 period . I would go with 1945 or 46 based on the plastic buttons.
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"1916" a conveniently "rubbed" 1946?
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Thanks for all of your input!
Much appreciated, and it confirms a lot of my initial thoughts.
I know very little about the actual caps worn during WW1, and though I would sorely like a good example in my collection, I think I need to do some more research!

Cheers guys!

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Colin, original pre WW1 1905 pattern caps are hard to find that being said I have had three off eBay all mis identified and consequently cheap. Keep looking one will turn up!

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Colin, original pre WW1 1905 pattern caps are hard to find that being said I have had three off eBay all mis identified and consequently cheap. Keep looking one will turn up!

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Thanks, Mark!

I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled!

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