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Old 06-09-20, 05:18 PM
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Default 64th CFA Badge and shld Title

Picked these up yesterday in a local antique store .
We think the 64th was recruited in Sask.
Does anyone have further info on the 64th ?
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Old 06-09-20, 11:43 PM
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Image of the reverse please.
64th Fd Bty was from Guelph Ont.
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Default 64th CFA Badge

Here is the reverse of the badge and shoulder title .
Tang style fasteners on the badge .
We didn't unfold them to determine if there was a makers mark.
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Old 07-09-20, 11:37 AM
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The tangs are a characteristic of the authentic CFA badges. There are not likely any maker marks, but the CFA badges have been attributed to Hemsley.
The CEF Field Artillery Batteries used a different numbering sequence than the pre-war and post-war militia. The 1920 orbat had a 64th Battery in Yorkton Saskatchewan.
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Beautiful badges thanks for sharing. Very jealous.
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Question Artillery Badges

Thanks for the info everyone. Much appreciated.
This artillery numbering system seems to be a whole different set-up .
Flipping through an older auction catalogue a 64th Overseas Field Battery
badge is listed , " Brass Cap Badge , Babin 12-64 , McHugh Type A ."
Picture is the same as ours . No back photo though, can't see fasteners.
Badge in previous lot is 61st Overseas Field Battery , Babin 12-61 , McHugh
Type B . Same auction .
The difference being the 61st has 2 laurels of maple leafs beside Canada and the number 61 . 64th badge has no laurels of leaves.
Who or what is McHugh ?
This gets confusing .
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Here are my examples for comparison.
No maker marks on either.

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Hello Robert, In 1982 Reginal Cox published an incredible reference titled Military Badges of the British Empire 1914-18. At the time it was one of the first fully illustrated, comprehensive references. Cox included a section on Canadian artillery badges, which unfortunately turned out to include a large number of fakes and forgeries. A Canadian, Maj. W.T. McHugh (RCA retired) compiled a correction which Cox issued as an ERRATA supplement. In the ERRATA, McHugh identifed three types of the CFA battery badges. The main difference for the many CFA batteries was the central disc / wheel of the field gun which has the number (or in some cases an abbreviation or device attributing the badge as say, the Coburg Heavy Battery or the University of Toronto Battery, etc). These centre discs could be applied to any one of three base badges, which were classified as Type A, B, and C, depending on the design. Type A was a field gun, no wreath or ribbon. Type B was the field gun with maple leaves "wreathes" either side of the gun, but no ribbon below the bottom motto, and Type C, which had the gun, wreathes and, below the motto, a tied bow. These McHugh types became the standard references for the battery badge types, but has fallen out of use.
The CFA badges have been the subject of much attention from the reproduction artists. An early set of fakes was made and appeared on the market in the 1980s, with tangs (the Canadian term for the bend over blades used for attachment) that were wider than the authentic issue. Today, these badges are almost indistinguishable from originals. One way to check these it to make sure it was one of the Batteries that had badges made. The 13th, 36th, and then 49 to 53, 55, 56,57, and 60 to79 are recorded as having badges. Any other number should be treated with suspicion, and needs to be verified.
About 15 years ago an trophy maker near Ottawa called Dracks started making copies. His creations included a whole series of officers' overlays for the Battery numbers as well as the three different types. These copies can be distinguished in several ways, the primary one being the use of lugs on the badges. The Drack's badges were also one piece but the finish was so good that you need to examine the foot of the lugs with magnification to determine if they are one piece castings or were affixed after the stamping. It should be noted that the Drack's badges have been purposely aged, some have had the lugs replaced with tangs and some have been artificially aged. There are some other characteristics of the Drack's badges, but the net effect of his copies and the earlier fakes has messed the market.
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Manchesters , thanks for posting the photos .
Thanks for the explanation on the McHugh question we had Bill . That sort of knowledge goes a long way for novice collectors such as myself .
So now we have Dracks Badges to look out for as well as Crofts and Bondy .
We can hardly wait for the Badge Shows in Ontario to start up again and take all this new found awareness and insight with us .
We obtained a copy of Reginald Coxs book from interlibrary loan once .
Quite the book . Wish we had one here .
Thank You again , much appreciated .
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