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Old 19-01-21, 07:24 PM
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Officer OSD Loyal North Lancashire
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Queens crown correct?
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Officer OSD one each of loyal north and loyal
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Old 19-01-21, 09:12 PM
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Neil,

All good apart from the KC on loops which I dont think is genuine.

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Old 19-01-21, 09:29 PM
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Neil,

All good apart from the KC on loops which I dont think is genuine.

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It has a weird construction, I'd like to see it in person.
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Old 19-01-21, 10:55 PM
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It has a weird construction, I'd like to see it in person.
That badge with the strange reinforcement is interesting. It may well be a fake, but I have never seen anything like it. Certainly not expected on a fake.

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Old 20-01-21, 06:04 PM
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I don't have an issue with the badge, but what do I know. The third badge on post 1 has hairpin slider but if you look in the last picture here it's possible to see the same 'crown' shaped tag beneath it
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Old 20-01-21, 09:08 PM
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The WO authorised a new pattern for The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment - 0838/1908.
Essentially it was the same design as the original 4515A/1897 (QVC) and the 4515B/1902 Pattern (KC) but specifically sealed with a strengthened (bent over) slider.
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Old 20-01-21, 10:09 PM
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An observation on all genuine Loyals badges. The position of the division of the rose petals immediately below the crown seems to vary by different makers. Sometimes the gap is below the crown (QVC, KC or QC) on other examples there is a complete petal below the crown?

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Old 21-01-21, 04:39 PM
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Hi Tim
I hadn't noticed that. Certainly the rose orientation changed with the design change to the 'The Loyal Regiment' badge. My notes say that occurred in 1921, but I've just noticed that I'm at odds with KK who gives a sealing date of 1935. I'll have to look at where I got my erroneous date from or what other badge event occurred in 1921 that has got my wires crossed.

I had a fling with collecting Loyals about 6 years ago and Niel's thread reminded me that I should give them a dust off and a new collecting focus.

Out of interest here are some a/a badges and officer's gilt/silver.
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Old 23-01-21, 12:33 PM
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Just adding HPC's QVC and KC
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Hi Tim
I hadn't noticed that. Certainly the rose orientation changed with the design change to the 'The Loyal Regiment' badge. My notes say that occurred in 1921, but I've just noticed that I'm at odds with KK who gives a sealing date of 1935. I'll have to look at where I got my erroneous date from or what other badge event occurred in 1921 that has got my wires crossed.

I had a fling with collecting Loyals about 6 years ago and Niel's thread reminded me that I should give them a dust off and a new collecting focus.

Out of interest here are some a/a badges and officer's gilt/silver.
Mark

Very very nice Mark
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Hello Neil, I expect that you haven't given much thought to your Loyal North Lancs badges for a while, but, as I've acquired a few of those now, I thought I might add my twopence worth about the badge with the unusual fitting at the back that's mentioned in your thread.

This badge is, I'm sure, absolutely fine, as you've suggested, all the early KC badges appear to be like that, I guess that the Royal Crest has got to be fixed to something, and this crown shaped extension piece, is what the makers chose. The hairpin sliders do seem to have been fitted on top of these extensions to begin with, as seen in the badge you've shown, and before that, lots of them, perhaps, had ordinary sliders fitted onto the extension itself, or more usually, it seems, just under it.
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Old 29-10-22, 07:36 AM
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My original intention was to take several more pics, which I will, if anyone would like to see them. I wanted to include the backs of the two officers silver/gilt badges, these have a very similar sort of extension piece as the ORs, only the Royal Crest is rivetted or pinned onto it.

I came across Neils thread whilst searching all previous posts about the Loyal North Lancs, I am curious about the badge at the bottom, which the seller described as a pagri badge. I have, so far, been unable to find any mention, anywhere, of any such badge, and yet, here we have one, it is noticeably larger than the ordinary officers cap badge and has three blades at the back.
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Old 29-10-22, 09:10 AM
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As a slight deviation from the topic, I am not aware of its origins but I have always thought that the name of the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment sounds a little strange. By implication there is the suggestion that there was a disloyal North Lancashire Regiment that this regiment wanted to distance itself from.

I am guessing that there may have been a civil war connection and that the regiment remained loyal to the King or at least something similar.
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