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Old 04-09-18, 11:04 PM
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Hello,

I picked these two badges up in a mixed lot of mainly Canadian about a year ago. After prompting from Bill A, I can now see a tiny tiny MM approx 4-5 o'clock on rear of both amongst the Maple leaves -

TIPTAFT B/HAM

I'm not sure if they are a matched pair as both Beavers face left. Lugs EW. Some kind of gold wash(?) finish. Measure approx. 3CM wide and 3.5CM high.

Would welcome opinions on what it is I've actually got, are they the real thing, and if so is it possible to attribute a date to them, or are they copies? And also would love to learn why the Toronto Regiment only seems to have one battalion - the III? Was there ever a I, II, IV etc.?

Apologies for terrible pics. i-phone doesn't seem to like being too close to light source.

Appreciate any help, thank you. Rich.
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Old 04-09-18, 11:56 PM
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Thanks for starting this thread Rich.
The Tiptaft collars are wartime, and may only have been made in one orientation. There are no known copies of these.
The Bn number is the sequence for all CEF bns. Eg, the 1st Bn CEF was Western Ontario, 2nd was Eastern Ontario, 3rd Toronto. There were many other battalions recruited from Toronto, including the 15th (48th Highlanders).
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Old 05-09-18, 01:34 AM
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Rich:
Beauties. Hard to believe with the many 3rd Bn cap badges out there that there are not a lot of collars around as well, I guess everyone was wearing the C/3's. Still I would think that the collars had to be out there. If these two are taking up way too much space in your collection I would be glad to help you out with your problem. Thank you for posting.
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Old 05-09-18, 07:41 PM
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Many thanks for the feedback Bill and Don.

As ever an answer invokes more questions!

What do you think these examples are made of? And are they perhaps for officers?

I have noticed with a few of the Canadian badges I have that some seem to have remnants of a coppery/gold looking 'wash' over the base metal. Is this a form of electro-plating? Perhaps an early attempt at 'Staybrite'?

Finally, these III battalion collars were made in Birmingham for a Canadian unit. Would the badges be ordered and sent to the battalions assembling in Canada? Or would they be picked up when the battalions arrived here in the UK before being shipped over to the trenches?

Any help here much appreciated, sorry if it's a little off topic.
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Hi, The 3rd Bn was overseas in the fall of 1914, and stayed in the UK until moving to France and Flanders in 1915, serving there until the end of the war. Their badges were firt acquired in the UK from makers in the UK. There is no record in archives of the badges being made or sent overseas for them.
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Hi, The 3rd Bn was overseas in the fall of 1914, and stayed in the UK until moving to France and Flanders in 1915, serving there until the end of the war. Their badges were firt acquired in the UK from makers in the UK. There is no record in archives of the badges being made or sent overseas for them.
Many thanks indeed Bill, most interesting. I am, as you have guessed, a complete novice when it comes to Canadian badges. My Father has a bewildering lifetime's collection of British cap and collar badges, titles, buttons etc, and so I have grown up used to seeing and handling the brass, bronze and white metal badges of the British regiments and battalions. (He says he has his work cut out with just collecting the Brit stuff, and so the Empire/Commonwealth badges weren't something I came into contact with until recently). I have since read your Canadian guides on the forum and learned a little more about the different metallic finishes the Canadian badges had - so different from the good old British brass!

Thanks again for making the time for me. Cheers! Rich.
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