Tyneside Scottish, 1st Pattern. - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

wardog · #1 04-09-19, 01:59 PM

Bought as a buy it now late evening at the weekend. It looks OK to me but I would welcome comment. Regards, Paul.
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Luke H · #2 04-09-19, 02:33 PM

You have there a very nice original badge, well done Paul.

wardog · #3 04-09-19, 06:12 PM

Thanks Luke. Regards, Paul.

gb64 · #4 04-09-19, 06:30 PM

Nice,well done, you beat me to it

Gerard

wardog · #5 04-09-19, 08:36 PM

Seller was from Newcastle. I wonder how many owners it as had. Regards, Paul.

cbuehler · #6 04-09-19, 09:46 PM

Appears to be in mint unissued condition as well. Someone kept this stored away nicely.

CB

wardog · #7 06-09-19, 12:59 AM

It looks like the medals to a William F Guy Tyneside Scottish sold last month by the same seller. Anyone with access able to find any info on this man? Regards, Paul. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-Mary-...p2047675.l2557

Frank Kelley · #8 06-09-19, 07:41 AM

William Fewster Guy can be found in WO372, the index card and twice in WO329, the SWB roll and the BWM/AVM roll, he had enlisted on the 24th of November 1914 and was discharged upon the 28th of July 1917 due to gun shot wounds.

wardog · #9 06-09-19, 10:12 AM

Thank you Frank. I've emailed the seller to see if he will confirm the badge was originally with the medals. Sad to be part of a split but at least I can remember the name when I look at the badge, and I hope the medal buyer will remember William also. Regards, Paul.

wardog · #10 09-09-19, 10:26 PM

I've made contact with the medal buyer as he posted on the medal forum. He has a picture- I've cropped it to show a badge on a glengarry which I think will be a later pattern TS badge.
I have seen TS badges with the cross ends cropped to make a more round badge- can anyone tell me about that practice- was it common and did it relate to a certain battalion? Regards, Paul.
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Alan O · #11 10-09-19, 07:10 PM

I have seen a few cropped badges but that's the first photo I have seen of it in use.

wardog · #12 10-09-19, 07:31 PM

Its hard to say Alan, as its not clear at all. Most likely a trick of the light. Man only served TS from what I can see. Enlisted Nov.1914 and most likely wounded 1st July 1916. Discharged July 1917. Shape looks more London Scottish in the picture.
Is the timeframe for 1st badge about 3 months or a bit more? I wonder if his badge was not used, though the lugs are a bit bent. I've a thread running on the Great War Forum.

Chipper · #13 11-09-19, 07:45 AM

Hi Wardog

according to Denis Wood, and what I have found on the forum, the pattern dates are as follows:

1st - 1914
2nd - Jan 1915
3rd - late 1915
4th - 1916 (pattern also used in WW2)

I think that's right,

Cheers, Tim

Frank Kelley · #14 11-09-19, 08:57 AM

He is shown in the appendix of Tyneside Scottish by Graham Maddocks and John Sheen in the nominal roll of the 23rd Battalion, it gives his hometown as "Burnhopefield" full address not given, I assume this is actually Burnopfield, south west of Newcastle and wounded July 1916, the exact date is not given and nothing else is shown for him.

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Originally Posted by wardog

Its hard to say Alan, as its not clear at all. Most likely a trick of the light. Man only served TS from what I can see. Enlisted Nov.1914 and most likely wounded 1st July 1916. Discharged July 1917. Shape looks more London Scottish in the picture.
Is the timeframe for 1st badge about 3 months or a bit more? I wonder if his badge was not used, though the lugs are a bit bent. I've a thread running on the Great War Forum.

Charliedog012012 · #15 11-09-19, 09:43 AM

Most definitely Burnopfield. When approval was given to form the Tyneside Scottish, local folklore is that miners from surrounding areas walked 10 miles or more to enlist.