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Old 07-12-17, 11:10 AM
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I agree with many of your points but would say that badges from the Great War, or earlier, should have certain characteristics concomitant with the manufacturing techniques of the period. If the design of a cap badge has not changed between 1914 and 1945 and badge production has massively increased due to war time demand then there should be indicators of which are the earlier badges. Badges from the Great War are more likely to have tapered sliders, crimp marks and sweat holes than later badges. So as a rule of thumb is that, whilst these features are not hallmarks, they are certainly indicators of a badge produced earlier than those without these features.

As the Army Cyclist Corps was disbanded in 1919 all their badges ought to have period characteristics unless economy production methods cut corners. Unlike other Corps I don't think that the A.C.C. was massively expanded during the Great War.

The waters are further muddied by the amount of fake A.C.C. there are on the market.

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Could either of these be authentic?
I believe the one with the clipped slider may have been excavated.
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Old 29-01-19, 09:26 AM
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Absolutely superb!

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Thank you Alan ... that is really helpful , can you show me an example of a period slider shape ? Also were these done with lugs as well ? The reason for my interest is that I ride a WW1 bicycle ...
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Could either of these be authentic?
I believe the one with the clipped slider may have been excavated.
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These both look good, to me
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Phil thank you very much for your expertise, I value your opinion.
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Old 30-01-19, 08:25 AM
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Just from the photographs, I too, would think they are original, although, I'd rather have the bicycle shown in post four!

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Could either of these be authentic?
I believe the one with the clipped slider may have been excavated.
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Old 30-01-19, 11:16 AM
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Thank you Frank, and your preference is understandable
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Old 31-01-19, 06:38 PM
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Interesting thread, the ACC was a sizable Corps, but, you certainly do see corners being cut, regarding the production of cap badges, in common with many others during this period.
I have never understood why there are and have been, for quite some time, so many fakes around simply because of the great number of originals made, although, I suppose the same is true of many badges.


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As the Army Cyclist Corps was disbanded in 1919 all their badges ought to have period characteristics unless economy production methods cut corners. Unlike other Corps I don't think that the A.C.C. was massively expanded during the Great War.

The waters are further muddied by the amount of fake A.C.C. there are on the market.

Simon
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Old 31-01-19, 07:24 PM
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The ACC did have an expansion as several 2nd /3rd Bns of the TF/Yeomanry were re-roled as cyclists and moved into the ACC for home defence roles.
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Cyclists seem to peak at 33,400, 51 yeomanry cyclist regiments and 23 TF cyclist battalions.
Of the badges shown here, I'm not too keen on those with the small part impression of what I think is where the A was miss cut on the top left and also that the rifle barrels obviously don't like up with the stock and bolt, I have 4 of this type one being supposedly made by Woodward and another thst I got from a reenactor as a reproduction with the badge being the same.
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I'm glad this post was resurrected. I try to make time each evening to identify a couple badges and this one happens to be on tonight's agenda...
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Old 13-02-19, 08:31 AM
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A nice early example. Should you ever want to sell it then let me know.

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Thank you, I would certainly consider it. There are quite a few I have that I have no real connection to and plan to sell them.

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