Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

[Malcolm Davey]

Some examples of the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers badges.
Flag left worn until about 1926 and has 4 braze holes.
The Castle with Inniskilling above worn until about 1934.
Flag right worn until 1958 when they joined the North Irish Brigade, 4 braze holes.
Another flag right but with no braze holes.
I believe the flag right badge comes with a mis-spelt Inneskilling also, i'm sure one of our more knowledgeable members on Irish badges will correct me if i am mistaken.

Cheers
Malc

[Alan O]

This is it. Gaylor states that it is post WW2. This one has a slightly tapering notched slider and no sweat holes.

Unfortunately I dont have either the WW1 or the WW2 economies.
Alan

[John Mulcahy]

A nice thread,

here are a few additional ones to help round it out.

The WW2 Plastic badge (sadly missing one "tang")
FSC badge c. 1894, sorry no back picture for now as it is in a frame.

[John Mulcahy]

A few more

officers post 1934 Cap Badge.

O/Ranks Busby badge

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

I don't know whether I saved anything as I have never seen one for sale to price it at. The last Inniskillings plastic I saw was for £120. I have my reservations about Woodward economies as they are so yellow brass but even the best dealers sell them as originals.

I am off to Middle Wallop next April.

Alan

I'm sure the woodward skins is fine if I'm honest, my all brass Munster is the same colour as well and its not what I would call bad just not quite as deep in tone. I know woodward stamps have been copied but that badge was from the same die as Lew Shotton's one, which he swears by from what I hear. You can tell by those two curves on the bottom part of the two end towers (pics on militaria collectors forum), and I couldn't argue with the slider type or it positioning. I happy its fine.

Did you see the picture of the other type brass economy skins I posted in my Random badges thread - what are your opinions on that? NB it has copped quite a bit of flash at the back but it is brighter than the front (plate possibly)

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...=random+badges

I think that Inneskilling of yours is certainly worth a good few quid, I've never seen one listed either but I don't think you did too badly for £6

Luke

[John Mulcahy]

a 1926 - 1934 O/R badge with white metal slider (which I believe to be genuine)

Some of my skins badges, an officers badges with the Firmin plate on the rear, an OSD badge - a collar I believe and a FL badge with no brazing holes.

Jonny
(hope their all ok)

[Luke H]

Hi Johnny,

The FL without braze opens up the braze hole arguement again, being lugged its an early one pre 08/11 depending on who you ask. I would have really expected a badge that early to have braze holes, however it appears to have been polished on the flames, has the cut away between the flag and the castle, is lugged correctly NS and has great patina all of which are good signs.

I'd like to get my hands on it but aside from not having braze holes everything else about it look right... certainly a countdown conundrum.

Luke

P.S are the lugs rather long? - they look it from the photo, also are they made of brass as opposed to copper?

Luke,
Yes it has all the signs of a genuine badge, but with no brazing holes its a tough one to say. The lugs are rather long made from brass - you cannot bend them without using a lot of effort.

Jonny

[jeanpit-frenchy]

here my 2 badges
flag left has 2 braze holes (1 big for castle and 1 little for scoll )
flag right ( hardly polished) 3 braze holes...

i dream to found a nice 1926 -1934

[John Mulcahy]

For what it is worth I use the following guidelines for the flag left bi-metal psttern.

All genuine badges whether with loops or sliders should (I believe) have brazing holes. The grenade opening on all genuine badges appears to be narrower than on most of the fakes. Luke has already mentioned the fake with the flag joined to the castle but I have usually only seen this on the flag right example.

Cedric Heys is a very reputable dealer in my experience - one of the best, so I would not be worried about the "stock photo" statement. You will be able to return without issue if unhappy.

With regard to shoulder titles you need to look for the pattern shown below (two slightly different strikes shown).

John

[saintconor]

As I mentioned on my opening thread I am interested in matching the correct cap badge to medals/photos of my relatives.

Being from Derry the majority of my family have served with the local Regiment, The Skins.

My Great Grandfather Fusilier 6976124 John Patterson enlisted 3rd January 1928 and was discharged on 26th March 1934.

My Grans Cousin Fusilier 6978937 Alexander Hegarty enlisted 1938 and was KIA Burma in 1942.

My Great Uncle Fusilier Joseph Breslin - 5TH (TA) Bn, 1950's/60's

Have read through the forum and come across a lot on the Skins but it is very confusing.

Any help very much appreciated

Regards

Conor

[Faugh-A-Ballagh]

Hi Conor,
Most likely the Inniskilling Fusilier grenade badge with flag flying to right, although the one who served in the 1920's and 30's would probably have worn the one which was the plain Inniskilling Castle.
John Mulcahy is probably the man who will give you the definitive answer.
Have you read the excellent book Three Cheers for the Derry's about the Tenth Battalion in WW1?
I can highly recommend it.

All the best

John

[Faugh-A-Ballagh]

The Grenade badge would have been worn on a navy blue caubeen on a red triangle with grey hackle

[saintconor]

Thanks John (Again)

I must admit that until today I had never know that the Skins went through a phase with just the castle and no grenade. Everyday is a school day. Would anyone have a picture of a soldier from this era as an example?

The Caubeen you mention, would it be like this one from the Skins website? Would this have been in use when Fus Hegarty joined in 1938 or would this have been a post WW2 thing? I dont suppose you know where these dark blue caubeens can be got?

I have indeed read "Three cheers for the Derrys". I got the hardback version and had it signed by the author. Definately a great book. For the WW1 period though my main interest is 6th Bn Royal Irish Regiment as this is the one most of my WW1 relatives served in. With my GG Grandfather Pte 2317 JJ Diver being killed in August 1916.

Thanks again for your interest

Regards

Conor