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1936 - uncle George joined the WG in 1936 I think, left end of WWII - fits with the lugged badge he gave me (posted it along with one of his cloth shoulder titles to my cousin, his son, in Australia a few years ago so no photos).
Picked up a WG Musicians cap a few years ago, a Silbermans dated 1952, anodised buttons though I can't remember whether Kings or Queens crown, currently fitted with an anodised badge. |
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When the 2nd Bn was raised in WWII they where issued the lugged badges. The 2nd Bn where a tank battalion and served in 6th Guards Armoured. The 1st & 3rd Bn where both issued with sliders. The usual theory is that the 2nd Bn where issued with lugged badges because they where in tanks and a lugged badge was more secure. The truth is no one knows for sure, but a lugged badge would be difficult to fit on a Welsh Guards forage cap.
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This is anecdotal and and as you say unsubstantiated. Welsh Guards recruits arriving at the Guards Depot (at that point their eventual Bn would be unknown) were most likely issued the standard pattern badge worn since 1915, which would have had a slider. Julian's (KLR) discovery of the official dating of the "Lugged" badge, probably coincides with a Request from the 2nd Bn after excessive losses of cap badges to the "Hull Monster" for a more suitable and secure means of fitment? Recruits arriving from the Depot after completing training would most likely have continued to wear whatever badge they received on initial issue and only on the occasion of a loss would these have been replaced with a lugged badge? The lugged badge may have been issued to everyone in the 2nd Bn for wear in the beret, however as you say it is impossible to fit a lugged badge to a WG Forage Cap without causing damage and even then, due to the construction of the cap the badge would not sit as neatly as it was intended (Roots Resting on the Chin Strap)! Andy |
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Apparently this Welsh Guards Leek maker marked is the scarcer earlier pattern, so I've been told.
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I like it, one I haven't got - has that got the little inverted triangle hollow at the base of the leek, like the one shown earlier in the thread?
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Andy
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Like this Leigh ?
Andy
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Sorry, yes, I should have said on the back - I was thinking of the reverse of the badge in post no. 7.
I don't have and haven't seen any WG of that type, I think, only flat backed or hollow struck. |
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A lovely badge Andy.
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I have one with lugs and one with a slider.
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Sorry, no, I can remember my father looking at my uncles (served about 1936 - 45) lugged solid back badge and saying it was a good, pre-WWII badge and mentioning the common practise (at least in the 1st Bn) of having the lugs removed and a slider fitted, and also looking at a hollow back slidered badge and virtually sneering that it was a wartime introduction.
Which of course, doesn't necessarily mean he was right, just that he remembered the solid backs giving way to the hollow backs. I have a lugged hollow back as well, but don't know the significance - unless it's a Sgts & Musician's one? I'll check. |
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Another solid struck badge with a four digit number stamped on slider and with a small tear drop shaped recess on the back.
The number "2934" is shown as having been issued to a man joining up between 5th July - 8th August 1916. https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot....uards.html?m=1 Last edited by leigh kitchen; 21-12-20 at 10:18 AM. |
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did you you delete your album Andy as the pics are gone?
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up to 5 gm's in my collection now, one each solid and and hollow back on sliders, 2 solid back on lugs and one hollow back on lugs
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