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I would like to highlight the change in color in the lettering of the title in question (post#112), from the back being bright red to the front a pinkish hue. This fading is something that’s often encountered in LRDG titles. See attached photo. |
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It is worth considering the rarity and the importance of the first pattern LRDG shoulder titles.
The change from LRP to LRDG took place in December 1940, and the SAS were not formed until the 1st July 1941, which means the first pattern LRDG shoulder title is truly the first official issue of British Special forces insignia of WW2. The following picture was taken in 1941, it shows the first pattern LRDG shoulder title being worn and a New Zealand Onward cap badge. Shoulder title and Onward badge 5 Oct 1941.JPG Last edited by atillathenunns; 15-02-20 at 11:04 PM. |
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I have the following picture dated 1943 showing it being worn, but I think it is likely to have been first issued in 1942. 16 Aug 1943 Lieutenant J M Sutherland.jpg |
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Edy, I find it quite amusing, given that I don’t own any LRDG shoulder titles, just how many genuine variations of shoulder titles we have been able to identify between us.
I am not sure, but happy to be corrected, we might have been the first on this forum to identify what the first pattern LRDG shoulder title actually looks like. Just imagine what we could achieve if everybody contributed their genuine pieces of the LRDG puzzle. Here is another genuine LRDG variation, the photo has a handwritten date of 1942 on the front. As can be seen this variation has the footings on the R and the D, but has no downward spike at the end of the “G.” Shoulder title 1942.jpg |
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Being able to identify them from the period photos or from genuine provenance is one thing but identifying as genuine because you think they may be is not and never will be the same.
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I have supplied 3 genuine variations that are very similar but are not a match to the Swende shoulder title, this does not prove it is fake, it just means that so far it hasn’t matched up to a known original. Just out of curiosity, do you personally own any LRDG badges? |
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It is indeed a very secretive world of Special Forces collecting, and it really shouldn't be.
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One day I will give evidence of a number of badges and wings that have not been ID by photos or provenance but they are genuine and I will explain in detail why they are. |
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Why would someone who knows something that the majority doesn't know tell the majority if he (or she) has put such an effort into finding the information in the first place? In some cases, this may have taken many years to find the information so why would that person then decide to tell the rest of the world? Let's not forget there are unscrupulous players everywhere, including forums. Why would someone part with that information? Another question for you. Do you think that a lot of collectors get information overload? |
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You've contradicted yourself because dissimilar means different.
"...the point that I want to make is that they are all different but not dissimilar." Translation. "...the point that I want to make is that they are all different but not different." |
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If people don’t want to share, that’s fine too. As for me, I haven’t played all my cards yet, and I don’t think Edy has either, I think Slinky Cat, Frank Kelly and Luke H are all bluffing and have no genuine LRDG badges to support their claims. |
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I'm not sure if you are saying this "tongue in cheek" but if not I think Edy has the correct usage on this, the Cambridge Dictionary definition is below but the example from it shows it more clearly in the use that Edy made of it:
Meaning of dissimilar in English dissimilar adjective UK /ˌdɪsˈsɪm.ɪ.lər/ US /ˌdɪsˈsɪm.ə.lɚ/ different: The new house is not dissimilar (= is similar) to our old one, except that it's slightly bigger. Edy said "not dissimilar" which means =is similar as above, but which does not mean the same as. It appears to me he was saying they are different but have similarities. |
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