Shoulder belt plate for ID and period please

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[Toby Purcell]

With the split or cotter pin fixing and the simpler construction I think that Leigh has identified the solution and that it is a senior sergeants version. If so it must be an exceedingly rare survivor of the period.

[Hawthorn]

Although there is always a possibility of error in paintings this famous painting by Dighton of The Coldstream Guards clearly shows the Sergeants wearing an oval plate of similar design.

Regards Simon.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Looking further into the design used during the Georgian period, it does seem correct, but not in the best of conditions. See examples enclosed. It was used 1795-1805.

That 4th one looks like a senior's cap star mounted on a SBP. Not one i would want.
Andy

[Bill]

Andy
That's an interesting point about Toby's 4th item.

It is of the same pattern as one of the six shown in the thread started by Leigh (Coldstream Guards Warrant Officers beret badge).

It is one that I have doubts about. Is it genuine? The pattern is very different from other WO stars.

Did the Royal Horse Guards have similar items?

Can Simon help here?

Bill

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Bill

Andy
That's an interesting point about Toby's 4th item.

It is of the same pattern as one of the six shown in the thread started by Leigh (Coldstream Guards Warrant Officers beret badge).

It is one that I have doubts about. Is it genuine? The pattern is very different from other WO stars.

Did the Royal Horse Guards have similar items?

Can Simon help here?

Bill

Bill to be honest i would only be happy with the 1st one, out of the ones Toby shows.
Andy

[Bill]

OK
Do you have any ideas on the stars shown in Leigh's thread?
The top one is identical to Leigh's and one is definitely RHG but what about the others? Another looks like the 4th of Toby's but what is it?
Bill

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

That 4th one looks like a senior's cap star mounted on a SBP. Not one i would want.
Andy

You raise an interesting point. I think that there were very probably three grades of oval shoulder belt plates. One for officers, one for battalion staff NCOs and one for the sergeants within companies, all in descending quality of course. Presumably rank and file with less ornate plates, probably with separate badges in high quality ‘candlestick brass’ that could be removed for cleaning. It is these latter badges that I strongly believe were also fitted to cartouche pouches and that evolved to become forage cap badges. We discussed this at length in the thread on the ‘grenade fired proper’.