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You raise a point that I had often wondered about. Thinking about full dress prior to WW1 when Colour Sergeants wore their crossed flags and crown badge above their chevrons, was it possible for a Col. Sgt. to be a Signalling Instructor and if so did they wear their crossed flags elsewhere, ie lower right arm? regards
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
If it helps any I got my wrists mixed up but RCT / RLC, REME and RMP definitely swapped from left to right wrist then above the rank as they went from class 2 to 1 to RSI. I've also heard of people getting a distinction on the RSI course putting their flags actually on their stripes rather than above them but I don't think that was official. SSgt instructors wore them between the stripes and the crown while warrant officers wore them above the crown on their wrists. I've even seen cloth wrist straps being made big so they could wear both in shirt sleeve order. That would have been between the mid 80's and 2000. I'm sure you will know that already but your question also makes me wonder when the crossed flags badge was introduced? Michael |
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Introduced in 1887 as a prize badge for telegraphists RE.
Rgds, Thomas. |
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The 'Pay Warrant' did have lists of the various trades corresponding to the lettered badges.
Marc
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards. |
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Last edited by Toby Purcell; 27-10-17 at 11:30 PM. |
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ACI 164/1950
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Again,
Apologies for the sideways look, phone photos. |
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Last one.
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CR 1894 was badly drafted by somebody [or a committee] with little understanding or insight. Remember this is pre-SD, and when white drill and khakee [sic] drill was a bit under-regulated regarding badges. "The chevrons and badges of rank for all arms of service will be worn on the right arm only***. All ....... [list of a few irrelevant SNCO/WO exceptions] chevrons and badges will be worn above the elbow. At foot of page the asterisk *** is "A signaller, if a colour-serjeant, will wear the badge on the left arm". I suppose we can assume that this badge is crossed signal flags, but is this upper left arm or lower? And does it matter if he is an assistant instructor? Fast forward to CR 1914 where a 1912 Army Order is quoted. CR gets SD etc out of the way [ranking both arms etc] and then: "In the case of other garments [eg tunic and frock, scarlet] chevrons and ranking and appointment badges will be worn on the right arm only*** and above the elbow" [with the obvious senior exceptions]. At foot of page the asterisk *** a signaller, if a colour-serjeant, will wear the signaller's badge on the left arm above the elbow. NCOs and men employed as signallers but without the assistant instructor's certificate will wear the badge on the left arm below the elbow"". Sidebar AO 275/1912. The inference is that the C-Sjt is indeed an assistant instructor. Having said all that, I have never ever seen a colour-serjeant so badged. Angels dancing on pinheads cannot compete. |
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards. |
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The Trade Group letter badges were introduced by Army Council Instruction 1236 date 16th September 1944.
The attached list shows which trades were entitled to which badges at that date and compliments Keith's 1950 listing. Jon |
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Was anybody interested in #26? It took a fair bit of research.
If not, I can take a hint! |
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Sorry, yes, I was. Miss the old quick option of the thankyou button
Thank you. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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