Honest Dealer Kangaroo badge, 1 CACR

[boots and saddles]

There is something about honest dealers that I don't like, The comment "will let the experts decide on this one" In other words if there is are enough green horns out there that may bite on this one so much the better let them loose on the bidding. Experts don't have to guess on this one,they know that it's a repro. Sure the opening price is reasonable but can't they say that it's a repro, I don't call that honesty,entrapment yes. Being able to say "I didn't say it was a legitimate badge" is not good enough and if he is a member of this forum he should know. Ray http://cgi.ebay.ca/Kangaroo-Hat-badg...1%7C240%3A1318

[James G]

What is it about this badge that makes you think it's a repro. It looks well defined on the back. I don't know much about Australian badges so would appreciate any pointers.

[Voltigeur]

Hi Ray, go and check the 51 Soo Rifles that this seller has with a slider and a Scully's mark. IMO by saying "Will let the experts decide......" this guy is covering his a**,instead of saying "I don't know badges so, I don't know if those are fakes". So he is putting the onus on the buyer who is supposed to be the "expert".
Jo

[David Tremain]

First of all, looking at the photo on the e-Bay link, this is not an Australian badge. It is of the 1st Canadian Armoured Personnel Carrier Regiment. The kangaroo refers to the armoured personnel carrier. Second, the photo shows a round O in the Latin motto. Everything I have read and been told about this badge indicates that to be an original it should have an oval 0. There are some other small variations, but I can't find the link right now. Maybe Bill knows. I have a similar one which I picked up in England for about five pounds a couple of years ago; it also has the round O. To ask what this dealer is asking, for what appears to be not original is too much.

[marway_Jaime]

Maybe the seller is poking a little fun at two well known dealers, who had a very verbal disagreement on the 'roo badge at a convention a few years back.

But really some of these badges are really hard to tell if they are good or not, so this collector is just protecting his behind a smidge, nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

The 'roo badge is a replica by the way.

jaime

[regimentalrogue]

I'm not sure who put this graphic together, but I saved in in passing some time ago.

[Bill A]

Mike, That is the best quick reference to good and bad 1 CACR badges.

[arcticmedals]

The Roo badge is a copy and I think the 51st Soo Rifes is also, made in the UK I would venture. The originals should have lugs. Can't account for the maker's name, maybe that was copied in too, as happens on some items. Having a maker's name doesn't mean it's real.

[Voltigeur]

Again for the Soo Rifles, both DavidS on a post 18/04/08 and Bill A on a similar and later post on 20/07/08 have given some informations on this badge. Good job,Mike on the Roo info.
Jo

[DavidS]

The comparison sheet for the 1st APCR 'Roos was put together by Bill Miller, I believe, and yes, the badge in question is the "Die II" (i.e. repro) badge.

[Bill A]

Thanks David. I thought that it was Bill Miller's work as well.

[regimentalrogue]

Originally Posted by DavidS

The comparison sheet for the 1st APCR 'Roos was put together by Bill Miller, I believe, and yes, the badge in question is the "Die II" (i.e. repro) badge.

That would match the "WJM" in the original file name. Any credit is fully his, I just happened to have a copy of the image, and for that it's well outside my own collecting interests.

Cheers

Mike

[boots and saddles]

OK, Let's see what poor fil de fusil gets caught. (Jo can correct my French spelling). James, Regimental Rogue have showed us the difference between good & bad right here. Ray

[Michael Reintjes]

This is the one I was looking for...from the CSSMI journal by Tony Reintjes.The Bill Miller reference page is an excellent one and the quickest tool to use.I,ll try to find the whole article if anyone is interested

[Dallas]

IIRC from the last time I heard something about this badge on the Canadian Soldier Website an orginal goes for well over $100.00 US. If the seller of this badge thought he could get away with it he would be asking the same price as an original. This has got to be a repro.