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Old 22-11-22, 08:58 PM
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Yet again, more badges I am not too sure about so I will offer them up for your comments:-

Duke of Edinburgh's, this badge seems very tarnished, your ideas appreciated.

Anchor, no idea what this is, RND or RN, ID appreciated.

Rob
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Old 22-11-22, 09:34 PM
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Anchor, no idea what this is, RND or RN, ID appreciated.
Possibly this?

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Old 22-11-22, 09:39 PM
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Is the first badge The Duke of Edinburgh's Royal Regiment (Berks & Wilts). Only ever seen it in Anodised.

The second badge, subject to size could possibly be a DEMS gunner collar badge.
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Old 22-11-22, 10:15 PM
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Thanks again chaps, I am not that ok on modern badges or Naval, so many thanks.

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Old 23-11-22, 12:17 AM
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D E R R only metal badge apart from repro that I have seen and have one in my collection as an oddity are Ammo U.K marked slider
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I recently added these Admiralty Messenger Service collars to my RN collection.
They are described as "ADMIRALTY SENIOR MESSENGERS" left & right, but I am open to suggestion's.
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Old 23-11-22, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for your replies, the DERR is extremely well made IMO with an almost OSD type of finish, this is a badge I have never encountered before which is why I have put it up for inspection.

Not sure quite what to do with it at present, the slider is plain.

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Old 23-11-22, 12:11 PM
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Rob possibility is that it is the centre of band Helmet plate Both my 1st and 2nd pattern helmet plates have metal badges These are pinned E/W I can't see if your were originally pinned and has been messed about with by addition of a slider
Happy to post photos -if you take the time to look at them
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Old 23-11-22, 12:30 PM
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Is the first badge The Duke of Edinburgh's Royal Regiment (Berks & Wilts). Only ever seen it in Anodised.

The second badge, subject to size could possibly be a DEMS gunner collar badge.
I did not know there were collar badges for DEMS Gunners.
Do you have a reference or photograph? Please.

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Rob possibility is that it is the centre of band Helmet plate Both my 1st and 2nd pattern helmet plates have metal badges These are pinned E/W I can't see if your were originally pinned and has been messed about with by addition of a slider
Happy to post photos -if you take the time to look at them
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No sign of this badge ever having had anything other than a slider fitted, only the circle and crown appear to be G/M, the rest has an overall patina which almost appears bronze.

One to ponder on I think . . !

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Hi Marc,

The only reference I have in my notes, is that a respected dealer has them on his website. I have just checked, and they are still on his site described as such. Now sold.

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The only reference I have in my notes, is that a respected dealer has them on his website. I have just checked, and they are still on his site described as such. Now sold.

Andy
As yet I have not seen any photographs of DEMS Gunners wearing any collar badges.

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Old 25-11-22, 02:11 PM
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Having had an opportunity to check for myself, I cannot see these collars on any RN personnel in WW2.
Obviously I shouldn't take a dealer's description as fact without confirming for myself.
So it begs the question, who wore these collars?
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Hello all,

The anchor badge shown was worn by civilian staff working at the Admiralty as messengers, doormen, etc. They were actually collar badges and were unofficially worn as cap badges. These look reasonably old and battered examples.

The other pair of gilt, sloping foul anchors have nothing to do with the Admiralty itself. These were worn as collar badges by retired CPOs who were employed as civilian instructors at Britannia Royal Naval College Dartmouth. They wore standard Chief's uniform with these badges. They were worn until the early-1980s I think. They were certainly in use when I was there in the late-1970s.

I've got some photos somewhere which I will post.

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Here are the images I promised. All the badges shown are from my own collection.

The first image is of the pair of badges which were wrongly described as 'Admiralty Senior Messengers'. As I said these were actually worn by former CPOS who were employed as instructors at BRNC. These were really knowledgeable men! The second image (showing the badges being worn) shows Mr. Litton. This picture was taken in 1973 but he was still working at BRNC when I joined in 1978. I think these badges ceased to be used in about 1981.

The third image shows a pair of collar badges as worn by Admiralty (later MOD(Navy)) Civilian Personnel. I think they may still be in use. I also have one attached to a cap as a cap badge - quite unofficially but its use was tolerated. Note that, unlike the Dartmouth badge, it includes a Garter device.

I was told by a former doormen at the Admiralty that originally they just wore a metal foul anchor badge similar to the one that featured in the original question. He wasn't able to give me a date when the metal badges were replaced by the gold wire badges and I have as yet been unable to confirm the use of these metal badges. I've been meaning to do some research for some time - I suppose I ought to get on with it!

I hope that this is of some help!

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