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Old 29-06-20, 10:25 AM
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Can anyone recognise the Badge on the Left please? I know Connaught Rangers and Seaforth used them. But this one has the Trunk connected to the ground with no Howdah. It is smaller, and fairly rough cast Bronze/Brass. looks to have been gilded originally.
P.S. Also, which Regt is the one on the right please?
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hi Smuder

I think you will find the larger of the duo is also a Seaforth Highlanders, but the officers pattern. There is a pair on www.qmsmilitaria.com item 59828 but now sold. Worn with the F cypher as a two part collar badge. There is also a single one still for sale, type in 'Seaforth Officer' into the search bar and they should all appear.

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Old 29-06-20, 02:02 PM
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The small badge looks like the brass collar badge of The 94th Foot.

Edit - according to "Churchill's" the 94th's elephant collar badge with trunk touching the ground was also worn by The 78th Foot from 1879 as the authorities attempted to standardise such insignia.

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Thank you so much for the info.
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Here is a Seaforth officer elephant in situ, and an OR to the right for comparison.
Both are the same size and do not have the trunk attached to the ground.
I also believe that the Connaught elephant was the same.
That said, I am not sure what your two elephants are for, nor the period.
They could be just an early variation for the above mentioned regiments or the 94th as mentioned by Leigh.

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Old 29-06-20, 05:24 PM
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Churchill's also shows the small badge with trunk touching ground as worn by The Connaught Rangers, confirmed on 21/10/1881 but a new die with curled trunk was cut, sealed on 20/1/1882.

The Seaforths also wore it as part of the two piece collar badge with seperate "F" and scroll, the officer's pattern being gilded.
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Churchill's also shows the small badge with trunk touching ground as worn by The Connaught Rangers, confirmed on 21/10/1881 but a new die with curled trunk was cut, sealed on 20/1/1882.

The Seaforths also wore it as part of the two piece collar badge with seperate "F" and scroll, the officer's pattern being gilded.
Yes, the only real difference between ORs and the officer badges as shown on my doublet, is that they are gilded.
The larger elephant as shown in the original post is probably not for an officer.

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Illustrations from "The History of The British Army Infantry Collar Badge" by Colin Churchill, published by The Naval and Military Press, 2001.

Illustrations 1807 and 1808 show collar badges of The 94th Foot and Royal Dublin Fusiliers, illustrations 1678, 1680 and 1684 of The 78th Foot and Seaforth Highlanders..
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The Seaforths also wore it as part of the two piece collar badge with seperate "F" and scroll, the officer's pattern being gilded.
The Pipe Major wore just the gilded elephant no "F" .
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Well, it would seem that the early Seaforth elephant had the trunk reaching the ground, if the book is correct.

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