Liverpool pals 'cap' badge.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by KLR

Here is a poor shot of my OSD - it has been cut from a bigger 'photo with all my Lpl Pals.


I should to photograph all of them again soon.

That is from the same fake die as the one shown in the OP I’m afraid.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Pembird

I seem to have accrued a few pals badges and after reading this link l wonder if mine are okay? I know the silver one is okay but any help on the others would be welcome. Thanks

3 out of 4 OK.

[Pembird]

Thanks Luke, l bow to your knowledge, what throws me with this one is the remains of old gilt on the reverse but three out of four is good!

[Luke H]

Rather I think it’ll be shininess from being ‘new’ than a gilt finish. Someone has then tried to age it up by the looks with the black deposits on it similar to the badge in the OP.

If you post a close up pic of the back I’m sure we will see size 13 feet on those loops!

[Pembird]

Thanks for your input Luke three out of four is fine although l was surprised as to the duff one as its reverse had a good old gilt finish which made me think it had some age.

[Pembird]

Sorry, above was repeat of earlier one, you are right as l can see footed lugs as you describe. Thank you.

[KLR]

I think they are all alright.
First - the silver 1914 badge, albeit brooched.
second Pattern 1915
last two - both 1914 unofficial 1914 badges


but they would have been a 'bronze' colour originally (- but many were worn down/ scrubbed to the GM

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by KLR

I think they are all alright.
First - the silver 1914 badge, albeit brooched.
second Pattern 1915
last two - both 1914 unofficial 1914 badges


but they would have been a 'bronze' colour - but many were worn down t the GM

I’m afraid you’re wrong.

The badge in the OP, yours in #14 and the one indicated in #17 are very obvious fakes all from the same die with well over a dozen available on eBay weekly. The sellers include several known repro sellers and surplus and outdoors shops. A couple have the stock to order up to 5 of these at a time.

[Luke H]

To conclude here is the badge in question featured in the Martin Marsh fake catalogue, number 1615.

Whilst the photo is not stellar you can see enough to be sure, note the oversized beak and ToysRus lettering are apparent and ‘line’ rather than feathers for the wing’s outer edge is very clear.

This is not a ‘restrike’ from an original die. MM used very few original dies and the quality of the details so poor and lacking it is certainly not the hand of WW1 craftsman but does exhibit the design hallmarks of his other modern fakes.

[KLR]

Yes, there are lots of modern reproductions.
My Lpl Pals OSD (I don't know what an OP is) is 100% - and yes, but I admit that not all Lpl Pals officer's badges have a gap between the legs !
But I'm really getting fed up with nearly every badge being branded a FAKE.

I’m more of a researcher (like many here) in museums, archives, libraries etc for over 30 odd years, rather than a collector (I’m not rich enough)

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by KLR

Yes, there are lots of modern reproductions.
But my OSD (I don't know what an OP is) is 100%
I'm really getting fed up with nearly every badge being branded a FAKE.

I’m more of a researcher (like many here) in museums, archives, libraries etc for over 30 odd years, rather than a collector (I’m not rich enough)!

Your OSD badge is from the same die. The Martin Marsh fake die. How is it original exactly?

It’s not being ‘branded FAKE’, I’ve demonstrated it quite rationally and scientifically.

OP = Opening Post.

[Frank Kelley]

To be quite honest, I think that it is actually a very poor attempt at manufacturing a completely spurious badge rather than a poor photograph, original examples of these badges are rare, too late to get a refund I suppose, where did you get from?

Originally Posted by KLR

Here is a poor shot of my OSD - it has been cut from a bigger 'photo with all my Lpl Pals.


I should photograph all of them again soon.

[Frank Kelley]

I do like your silver example, everyone should have one of those, they were just so beautifully made, nice to see the little safety chain attachment still in situ upon it's reverse too, was it terribly expensive?

Originally Posted by Pembird

I seem to have accrued a few pals badges and after reading this link l wonder if mine are okay? I know the silver one is okay but any help on the others would be welcome. Thanks

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

I do like your silver example, everyone should have one of those, they were just so beautifully made, nice to see the little safety chain attachment still in situ upon it's reverse too, was it terribly expensive?

I’m in agreement here, I’m not a collector of King’s Regt. badges though will admit to liking them a lot but I do have a HMS Pals one.

[KLR]

I bought my (London) HMS Lpl Pals badge in a pawnbrokers in Liverpool in about 1970. It cost I think 17/6 ! It had been converted as a brooch - BUT it had the name and address engraved to one in the 20th Bn.


I bought my (Chester) HMS Lpl Pals from a dealer about 2005. It cost I think about £100 (almost ruined me!) - again it was brooched, but I think the Chester ones are scarcer.