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#1
01-05-20, 09:49 PM
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Please Don't Laugh!
Well, or not to loud anyway! I have two questions and at least the first one is going to seem very basic.
1. What is he difference between a standard brass cap badge and a gilded one? I see both referenced, but from the pictures don't know the difference? 2. Re the Northumbrian District Patch I have seen it it with 8 stripes and with 6 stripes. What is the difference? Thank you, Terry 
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#2
01-05-20, 10:30 PM
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Regarding cap badges, collectors use brass or GM (gilding metal) for OR's badges interchangeably. There is no difference, although GM is probably the correct term as that was the alloy used, which was primarily brass.
You will note the varied ways in which these badges tone over time, depending on the alloys, which range from a dark copper appearance to a lighter yellowish color. When using the term gilded or gilt, that would refer to officer badges, which had gilt coating over the base GM that had a small amount of gold in it. This wears away with use and polishing quite quickly however. CB
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#3
01-05-20, 10:56 PM
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Thank you CB!
Further on the subject of the cap badges, how can I tell if a badge is an officers one that has been gilded from an OR brass one? Is there some difference in the appearance? Terry
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#4
01-05-20, 11:45 PM
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That would depend on many different factors! Some officer badges were of a completely different design from the ORs of a regiment, or very different in materials and construction. Officer badges really fall into another sub aspect of British badge collecting. Study is required. No simple answer here!
CB PS, I might add that officer badges of a given regiment will differ according to form of dress as well.
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#5
02-05-20, 04:52 AM
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The 6 stripe St Oswald's shield is the WWII era Northumbrian District badge, the 8 stripe post war.
Last edited by leigh kitchen; 02-05-20 at 04:29 PM. Reason: Typed St, auto corrected to At.
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#7
02-05-20, 09:05 AM
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You will also find Or's badges that have been through a brightening dip giving a gilded appearance if you can find before anyone has used the brasso on them and then forgotten, gilded badges tend to be officer's badges that are more solid in construction rather than stamped sheet and being in both a chocolate brown or a bright gold with burnished high points for a gilded badge.
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#8
02-05-20, 10:43 AM
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In 1897 (sorry, I don’t have the exact day and month) the WO made obsolete ‘brass’ in favour of GM – ‘Gilding Metal’. GM was defined as 86.7% copper and 13.3% zinc by weight Pattern 4480/1897). This is a much higher copper content than brass. (ref TNA WO 359.6,336)
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02-05-20, 03:01 PM
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Thank you all very much! And now I know which Northumbrian patch to get too!
Terry
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02-05-20, 04:36 PM
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I think the shield changed from 6 to 8 stripes because the "proper" medieval flag or shield had 8 stripes, not 6.
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#11
02-05-20, 07:11 PM
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There are a few of the more common 1911-1953 Officer's badges here.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...p?albumid=2127
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