victorian naval rating

[badgecollector]

hi all
what are you thoughts of this victorian naval rating?
is it issue or is it of a childs play uniform?
thanks in advance
bc

[Guzzman]

Definately a badge from a child's sailor suit. The size, the style of the crown and the crossed anchors are wrong. And RN badges were never issued with the Good Conduct badges attached. This is the style of badge most commonly used on sailor suits - it's certainly the most common one found.

Pete

[badgecollector]

Thanks Pete
That’s what I was afraid of.
Hoped for the best but expected this answer.
Thanks for your reply
Bc

[Guzzman]

I know the feeling! I come across a few of these childrens badges every year. I always live in hope of finding the real thing. I have some Victorian badges but not many. Considering how large the Victorian Royal Navy was you'd expect there to be more about ...

I forgot to say that another clue about whether it was a genuine badge or from a childs sailor suit is the fact that the badge design appears to be embroidered straight into the fabric of the suit. This didn't happen with genuine badges.

Pete

[badgecollector]

thanks pete
i agree, for such a large navy its bloody hard to find them.
having said this, i have been pretty lucky especially with the smaller Australian state navies
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ighlight=naval

keep the search going

cheers
bc

[Guzzman]

I nearly mentioned that some of the Australian colonial navies DID include the stripes on some of their badges but thought you were referring specifically to the Royal Navy!

I'm interested in Britain's colonial navies myself and collect whatever I can. Often it's not much more than buttons but it isn't easy to find many badges these days.

I remember seeing your post and feeling suitably jealous!

Pete

[nbroadarrowz]

Here is a picture of the child's badge being worn.
Barry

[1664]

Originally Posted by Guzzman

I forgot to say that another clue about whether it was a genuine badge or from a childs sailor suit is the fact that the badge design appears to be embroidered straight into the fabric of the suit. This didn't happen with genuine badges.

Pete

It did for Marines. The Divisional Taylor’s had a pattern book that survives in the National Archive, it includes details of the amount and price of bullion wire and fabric needed to make up different types of badges. The fabulous colour sergeants sleeve badges were embroidered directly into the sleeves, I’ve seen instructors badges also done in this way but not prize badges or chevrons.

[leigh kitchen]

On the RM Colour Sergeant's tunics I have the badge is embroidered directly on to the fabric of the sleeve, but that upper part of the sleeve is a separate piece from the lower part , they're joined together with a horizontal seam.
The seam is just visible in the image of the badge on the tunic.

The current Queen's Crown Colour Sergeant's badges are seperate, sewn on badges aren't they?

[badgecollector]

thanks guys
bloody nice stuff
bc