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Woodward from official contract lists
Military ornaments not badges |
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Lambournes
Probably a typo or misread by some whilst researching with the &Co Other lambourne on list with & Co from Manchester in pic on next post Last edited by Paul Spellman; 18-01-21 at 12:34 AM. |
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pic
Last edited by Paul Spellman; 18-01-21 at 12:34 AM. |
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Lambourne period advert
Into the 50’s they did adopt Ltd by then they were using other trade names like Sothos Last edited by Paul Spellman; 18-01-21 at 12:36 AM. |
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Original Lambournes OSD no &Co.
Why would they have & Co on just ORs badges and not on other wares they made It makes no sense |
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As you were talking non-Gaunt I did not include RNDs. The WW1 makers I am referring to Lambourne, Smith & Wright, Woodward, Bodill Parker etc. made and marked many standard infantry and corps badges which were the crux of my post. As I understand it these were traded in school playgrounds. Even 60 years of inflation on many of these are worth less than a London pint. Come on are you really saying you want examples of them all on hate belts? I can think of dozens of badges I’ve never ever seen on a hate belt that doesn’t mean those badges are spurious or didn’t exist. I could direct you to the MM section where you’ll find a nice Bodill Parker & Co marker Norfolk Yeomanry. Finding an example of every maker marked badge on a hate belt is unrealistic. How many Suttle badges are on hate belts? Assuming for the sake of argument they are WW1 period. Being so scarce there’s a chance none are on a hate belt anywhere. Most maker marked badges are very scarce v’s those from the same die that are unmarked. How many have a keen enough eye or care enough to identify a certain badge being an unmarked example? Few. Hate belts are at best a lottery and maker marked badges a thunderball amongst that numbers. |
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It’s unfortunate that the lists Ticker created don’t show what war work the different companies undertook as the excerpts I show does, he states they were for badges metal but it does not correlate with the lists I accessed which were requested by Parliament. I will go through these company names and provide the specific details what they made over the next week or so
His lists do not show any ref to FN contracts neither, where have their dies came from ?? |
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Lambourne’s / Lambourne & Co
They used both names.
Last edited by Luke H; 18-01-21 at 01:28 AM. Reason: Picture credit - Phil2M & leigh kitchen... any issues let me know and will remove. |
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Access requests to any public body are dependent on the person they make search and collate records/data. Speaking as one who has done this I know error of some degree is to be expected. Quote:
I do not however believe many makers have suffered this albeit Woodward and Gaunt have to some limited degree. |
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The lists I show were put together by the WD,Board of Trade and Admiralty Contractor Lists for Parliament to scrutinise what war work was being done and by whom due to lack of sufficient records being kept. (Tickers lists as you state a primary source from the Board of Trade Gazette are part of this)
I’m not naive to think these sufficient on their own which is why where possible I looked at each companies records including advertising and maker mark details on their products before and after WW1. There is certainly no evidence I have found to suggest Lambournes used both maker marks but if you do you should share it. Last edited by Paul Spellman; 18-01-21 at 06:56 AM. |
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When the photos were up I looked through them. Perhaps if you request them from Parliament you can satisfy yourself. So are you saying all Lambourne marked badges are fakes? Have you looked at the makers marks on both NHD badge, both are from the same die. The Birmingham stamp is identical on both badges. You find plaques of identical size/shape marked. Both are rare as hens teeth. These have not been restruck. |
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As I said likely a typo in the gazette
Nowhere else are they referred with &Co. It’s probably this ref fakers used, it certainly doesn’t explain the use of just Lambournes in conjunction with the Lambournes & Co during the same period Your obviously very sure the NDH has not been faked so I’m glad your happy with them. |
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I’ve shown you it in black and white from a period document. That you choose to ignore it and write it off is your choice.
If it’s in the BoT LG as Lambourne & Co., 159, Great Charles Street, Birmingham that will be who the WO were writing cheques to. As to the badges, they’re genuine and I sleep very soundly. |
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Can someone clarify a couple of points for me : 1. Is this "discussion" about specific badges/marks from one period of time ? or 2. Is it about the name/names used by the company ? A quick search brought up a couple of items : Quote:
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I may have missed something but a basic explanation would be helpful. .
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British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative. Poppy and British Legion Wanted |
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Yet you choose to ignore the evidence I show you
I have no hidden agenda with this but do wander why I bothered given the insidious remark in the TC thread about the Illuminati and the suggestion I was odious (albeit in the wrong context) Attached is samples of the Lambournes branding before and after WW1 all lack the & Co so it’s obvious the & co marks were reserved for war service Apologies for quality of some snaps |
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