Irish Guards

[Mike]

anyone spot this on ebay the other night?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=350485911280

guess my £150 sniping bid was a waste of time


Important piece for the regiment if that date is right.

[Phil2M]

Hi Mike,

Looks like a very nice piece, i know nothing about them though. What would that badge have been worn as?

Cheers

Phil

[Mike]

Pipe Majors badge or something similar if those dimensions are not to big - I assume the screw posts are added later unless it's some other accoutrement badge.

Someone might be able to educate us that has more knowledge


(see KK 918 for similar item and our pipers page)

[John Mulcahy]

Yes I saw it, with a date of 1901 (which rules out a Pipe Sgts caubeen star regardless of fittings) my guess it was worn on a colour belt.


John

[Mike]

So do you think those screw posts were ok John?

(looks like someone asked the seller about them)

[John Mulcahy]

When I first saw it I thought a Piper Sgts caubeen star especially given the hallmark and the quality.

Once the date and back photo appeared I thought it likely to be the star worn mounted on a plate on the colour belt. So the screw posts looked entirely plausible to me. I have no experience of colour belt badges so do not know if screw post arrangements such as these are the norm.

A beautiful piece but beyond what I was willing to pay for it.

John

[1stTankie]

Could this be an Irish Guards Mounted Officer's Sabretache Badge?

Just a thought.

Best wishes

Gordon

[john badge]

I assumed it was a Pipe Major's Cabeen badge. But I seem to remember the IG piperts are a few years younger than the IG. John Mulcahy will know?

[1stTankie]

[QUOTE=1stTankie;129725]Could this be an Irish Guards Mounted Officer's Sabretache Badge?

Does anybody else subscribe to this possibility?

It's all gone strangely quiet.

Best wishes

Gordon

[2747andy]

Gordon,
although I'm a Cap Badge collector mainly, I do know a little about Guards badges. I would say being HM'ed it is probably an officers item rather than ORs/WOs.. At a guess I would say it was off a Colour Belt Plate?

Andy

[CftD]

With a confirmed hallmark for 1901 this is certainly a very early Irish Guards item. The bolts look completely original and suggest mounting on leather - a colour belt or a sabretache. J & Co., relates to Jennens, of course, so an absolutely top-drawer accoutrement - as would be expected of a Guards Regiment for its officers. I suspect the price was geared as much to the date as to the item itself. David

[1stTankie]

IMO this is an Irish Guards Mounted officer's sabretache badge.

Best wishes

Gordon

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by 1stTankie

IMO this is an Irish Guards Mounted officer's sabretache badge.

Best wishes

Gordon

It may well be Gordon, The Gds museum and Col Mahon (a collector of IG items) believe that the Sabretache star was the all GM star worn by the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards. I have not analyzed your photo in detail but that star looks less like the all GM star and more like the item on e-bay. Which of course might well be a 4th R.I.D.G. item also.

John

[CftD]

Originally Posted by 1stTankie

IMO this is an Irish Guards Mounted officer's sabretache badge.

Best wishes

Gordon

Gordon - I am happy with sabretache badge - I notice that the photograph posted shows an officer in undress order - the sabretache is undress pattern but I don't know of any Guards regiment wearing a full dress (bullion) sabretache. I agree with your opinionon the matter. David

[1stTankie]

David

You are right; to the best of my knowledge none of the Guards officers wore the Full Dress embroidered Sabretache. (Having said that I await a flurry of photographs to prove me wrong.)

I will now start looking for the 4RIDG one and see if there is,or was, a difference.

Best wishes

Gordon