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Old 10-01-19, 03:51 PM
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Default Royal Irish Fusiliers collar or cap coronet?

I have been offered this Royal Irish Fusiliers collar or cap coronet badge but am not sure which it is.

Any thoughts on what this coronet is for?
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Old 10-01-19, 04:14 PM
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Hi Alan,
My guess it's part of the collar pair.
Compare with these attached.
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Old 10-01-19, 05:06 PM
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Similar recent enquiry with dimensions.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ighlight=IRISH

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Old 12-01-19, 03:19 AM
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A quick response as I am pressed for time. In my view the smaller coronet is essentially the same size for the forage cap and collar badges for service dress and # 3 dress, differences of 1mm or so being just die differences.

The larger coronet being for full dress, # 1 dress and mess dress collar badges (i.e. the horizontal collar badges).

My view is based on several bits of research including the attached officer's pattern cards which I photographed at the RIF Museum last August.

A few caveats,
1) Assumes O/Rs followed similar regs. to officers in this regard (I think they did)
2) Brodrick Cap; question of coronets still needs more research in my view.
3) Expect that from time to time larger full dress collar coronets were pressed into use with forage cap badges on a local/individual bases (I think I can pull out some photos to show this).
4) Although I believe that the same size coronets are for use on forage cap and the collars (less full, # 1 & mess dress) the fitments will of course differ based on when the parts were manufactured and what the contract was for with collar badge coronets made after LC4483 of 01/03/1951 having the single"D' loop fastening rather than the two your post shows.
5) The larger coronet from the full dress collar badge pair was worn on The Field Service Cap (FSC) 1893 – 1897. The smaller coronet coming into use with SPN 4475 sealed Jan 12, 1897.



also attached a few pattern cards (plastic forage cap badge) A/A #1 dress which support this assertion.

If I find anything more compelling I will add. Happy to be corrected & educated otherwise.

John
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Old 12-01-19, 10:08 AM
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John

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply. It is much appreciated. In this case I am after a badge to represent the large collar used for the FSC so I will rule this one out and look for the larger pierced one.

Thank you again for your time and assistance.

Alan
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Old 10-02-19, 11:55 AM
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Were the small size coronets (or very similar) worn by one of the women's military organisations at one time?
I can't think which one.
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Old 10-02-19, 12:31 PM
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Were the small size coronets (or very similar) worn by one of the women's military organisations at one time?
I can't think which one.
BRCS Superintendents shoulder strap badge.

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Old 10-02-19, 12:39 PM
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Thank you - couldn't place it.
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BRCS Superintendents shoulder strap badge.

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Just double checked my BRCS Dress Regs and in fact the crown was worn by the following:-

County President (Plus 3 stars)
Deputy President (plus 2 stars)
Vice President: County Secretary; Assistant County Director & County Medical Officer (plus star)
County Lady Superintendent; County Civil Defence Officer; County Physical Training Officer; County QM; Assistant County secretary; Div. Secretary & Div. M.O.

More than I remembered

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Old 10-02-19, 01:40 PM
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Thanks for that - far more than I suspected.
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