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13-03-23, 03:11 PM
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Cap badge production
Hi all
Can anyone tell me how many manufacturers there were in the UK, that were making them, say prior to WW1. And the process they used in making them. Gerwyn 
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#2
14-03-23, 12:46 PM
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Hi All
I did a search to see if there was a photo on how the were made, with no luck  .But did come across this. A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE NORTH IRISH HORSE KC A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE HIGHLAND CYCLIST BN. A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE BAYS - KING'S & QUEEN'S A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE 13/18TH., HUSSARS A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE CHESHIRE REGIMENT A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE BLACK WATCH - QUEEN'S C A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE GREEN HOWARDS WW2 A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE 16TH., LANCERS Q.CROWN A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE 9/12TH LANCERS Q.CROWN A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE K.O.S.B. QUEEN'S CROWN A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE ROYAL SCOTS REGIMENT A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE MILITARY POLICE KC A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE K.S.L.I. CAP BADGE A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE K.S.L.I. BERET BADGE A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE R.HORSE ART BERET BADGE A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE R.ARTILLERY BERET BADGE A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE JERSEY LIGHT INFANTRY A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE A.P.T.C. Q.C. A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE 12TH., LANCERS Q.CROWN A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE EAST SURREY REGIMENT A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE ROYAL GREEN JACKETS QC A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE RADNORSHIRE HOME GUARD A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE EDINBURGH U.O.T.C. A SET OF DIES AND TOOLS TO PRODUCE THE CAP BADGE OF THE ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS KC. I now know they were struck, by using a air hammer. The craftsmanship that went into cutting the dies, unlike today when you would program in the technical information into a machine, sit back, how did they cut them. Regards Gerwyn
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#3
14-03-23, 12:53 PM
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Have a look at this "makers marks" page , it will give you some idea of some of the various manufacturers.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ma...ks/sliders.htm .
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#4
14-03-23, 01:11 PM
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This site is in german, but it shows the process of cutting the stamps/dies and different ways of production. Perhaps you can translate the page, click right and search for "translate ....".
https://www.medaillenmuenze.de/fertigung.html The company already produced orders, medals and badges in imperial times and also during WW2. Until the second half of the 20th century badges were struck with a screw press ..... like the one on the pic. Kind regards Markus
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#5
14-03-23, 01:41 PM
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Thank you for the link. I did go on it before I did the search. Regards Gerwyn
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14-03-23, 01:48 PM
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Than you for the photo. Would there have been flash on the badge after being pressed, if there was how did they clip it, and if the badge had voids, how would it have been punched out. Regards Gerwyn
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#7
14-03-23, 02:15 PM
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Hello Gerwyn,
difficult for me to explain - in English. There were/are different types of these presses, some need a first struck to produce the relief, than a second struck with the same upper die an other lower die (patrize, "Father-stamp") to make the voided areas. The embossed badges were mostly pressed out of the mold by small stamps from below, formerly mechanically, today certainly often hydraulically or electromechanically. Try to find some desprictions of the different methods by searching the web, there are for sure some interesting sites. Regards Markus
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14-03-23, 03:50 PM
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Its very kind of you in giving me all this information. I will search the web. Regards Gerwyn
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#9
14-03-23, 06:13 PM
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The Ministry of Supplies [in the TNA] during the 2nd WW lists how many badges were made between 1939 - 1946 !!! I'm not sure about 1914 it's there somewhere !
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14-03-23, 06:23 PM
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Many years ago, we went to the B'ham ?museum - and had small items on a screw (could be badges!) - very interesting. who's our technical chap.... (numismatists try to which Roman coins were made.......
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15-03-23, 06:26 AM
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15-03-23, 01:14 PM
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Thank you For your information, I will do a search on the Ministry of Supplies. Regards Gerwyn
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15-03-23, 01:24 PM
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Thank you for your information. I makes me wonder, how long did it take to make just one cap badge by using a drill and a piercing saw to finish them. Kind regards Gerwyn
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15-03-23, 01:31 PM
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Thinking, not a good thing for me
 .Would they have had quality control, in checking say one or two in a batch. Regards Gerwyn
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15-03-23, 05:45 PM
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https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...hp?albumid=396 Presumably made by less skilled sub contractors compared to the much higher quality Victorian era badges.
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