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[Lampwick]

YAY!!!! ALL DONE AND DUSTED!!!
A big thank you to Henk, Peter and all who helped identify the majority of these for me.
Hi again all. Here are a few of my latest buys. Some of them I know as they have the name on them but I'd be obliged if any of you would identify the others. The ones that puzzle me are the two horns,29 & 35, one bronzed and the other silver. Thanks in advance, Terry
These are what I can see on the badges at the moment.
1 2nd Patiala Rifles
2 Gardner's Horse
3 57th Wilde's Rifles[Frontier Force] 1903-1922 OR 57 Battery Royal Artillery Pagri flash on Red/Blue diamond patch
4 Kalat State force
5 Poona Horse
6 61st Cavalry
7 Mahratta Light Infantry
8 Hyderabad CTC
9 Pakistan Chaghai Militia the Frontier Corps
10 East India Railway Volunteer Rifle Corps
11 1st Baroda
12 123rd Outram's Rifles (1903 - 1922).
13 Chamar Regt.
14 Sam Brownes 12 FF
15 Indian Army Ordnance Corps cap badge
16 Service Corps
17 123rd Outram's Rifles (1903 - 1922).
18 48th Cavalry, Indian Armoured Corps
19 East Coast Batt afi
20 Indian Army Ordnance Corps collars
21 Mekram Militia
22 Assam Regt
23 Madras Pioneers
24 Zhob militia
25 Chittral Scouts
26 Ajmer regt
27 II Btn 15 Punjab Regiment collars
28 Queen Victoria's Corps of Guides
29 East Bengal State Railway Volunteer Rifles
30 1st Punjab Regt
31 Rajputana Rifles
32 17th Dogras
33 Auxiliary Force Medical Corps
34 Pakistani Artillery
35 East Bengal State Railway Volunteers
36 Assam Rifles
37 Princess Mary’s Own
38 POW the Scinde Horse
39 1st Rampur Infantry
40 1st Brahman
41 15th (10th) Gurkha
42 Nigiri Malabar Batt. Volunteer Rifles
43 Travancor States Forces – Nagpore
44 North Waziristan Khassadar Levies
45 Pakistan Military Academy
46 Amb State Forces
47 The Mahar machine Gun Regiment
48 General Service
49 Military Police
50 Pakistan Army Service Corps
51 The Sikh Light Infantry
52 Indian Army Ordnance Corps
53 17th Poona Horse
54 Pakistan Army Educational Corps
55 Burma Army Service Corps
56 Indian Hospital Corps
57 19th Kumaon Regiment
58 The Sikh Regiment
59 The Bihar Regiment
60 The Bihar Regiment
61 2nd Bangladeshi Rifles
62 Ceylon Engineers
63 General Reserve Engineer Force
64 Indian Army Medical Corps.
65 9th Jat Regiment.
66 103 Mahratta Light Infantry
67 3rd Madras Regiment
68 Indian Air Force
69 18th King Edward's Own Cavalry
70 Probyn's Horse (King Edward's Own Lancers)
71 Army Corps of Clerks, Pakistan
72 Azad Kashmir Army Medical
73 Combined Services
74 Bihar regiment, Indian Army
75 Bihar regiment, Indian Army
76 Pakistan Army Service Corps
77 Pakistani Signals
78 Sikh Regiment
79 Hyderabad State Forces units
80 Hyderabad State Forces units
a. Royal Indian Military College
b. Royal Indian Army Service Corps
c. 4th Light Cavalry (contentious)
d. as 'b'
e. Royal Pakistani Army Service Corps
f. 36 Jacobs Horse (pre-1922)

[Wmr-RHB]

You mean 24 and 25?

I guess they are from Scouts units. Paramilitary local units raised in the British time in the mountainous (Hundu Kush/Karakoram/Himalaya) region and on the Afghan border. Now they are either Pakistani or Indian).

25 is the Chitral Scouts.

24 is also a Scouts unit from the same region (where Marco Polo sheep live), and I have seen another picture of it, but can not read the scroll from that, nor from your picture. Can you not at least post what you think is on the scroll?

[GriffMJ]

40...... is a Ghurka Officers...... "Brahmin". There was a thread on the forum about it somewhere I think?

[Wmr-RHB]

I zoomed in in my pic of 24, it is the Zhob Militia (not all those Scouts units had the word Scout in their name, but the all fall into the same category).

And please the badge of the 1st Brahmins is just that. As the other thread points out clearly: There is no Gurkha connection whatsoever!

[Wmr-RHB]

As you are a bit vague on what you identfied and what not, I only answered on the two you aksed for. I do not say I know them all, but when you want to know more, please ask with their numbers and I will try.

[Lampwick]

Originally Posted by Wmr-RHB

As you are a bit vague on what you identfied and what not, I only answered on the two you aksed for. I do not say I know them all, but when you want to know more, please ask with their numbers and I will try.

Go for it!! I'm grateful for ANY idents.

[Wmr-RHB]

Originally Posted by Lampwick

Go for it!! I'm grateful for ANY idents.

Oops! That is a lot of homework. And I hope you do not keep on adding mre and more.

This will take some time, but I will be back.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Wmr-RHB

I zoomed in in my pic of 24, it is the Zhob Militia (not all those Scouts units had the word Scout in their name, but the all fall into the same category).

And please the badge of the 1st Brahmins is just that. As the other thread points out clearly: There is no Gurkha connection whatsoever!

Thanks Henk, I just browsed the "Brahmin" thread .... I didnt read it in depth

[Wmr-RHB]

The common denominator of these badges is that they are from the subcontinent.

A lot of the information below is from Boris Mollo "The Indian Army".

During the British Raj itmeans that they can be from:
. one of the three establishments of the HEIC, later the British Crown (Madras, Bengal, Bombay);
. the unified Indian army (after 1903);
. other (paramilitary/police type) corpses (Local, Scouts, etc.);
. State Forces (of the different nominaly independent states, marked with (SF) in the list);
And after independance:
. the Pakistan Army;
. Pakistan paramiltary;
. the India Army;
. Independent India paramiltary.

1) Shoulder title: 2nd Patiala Lancers (SF).

2) 2nd Lancers (Gardner's Horse) (from 1922), 2nd Royal Lancers(Gardner's Horse) (from 1935).

3) 57 F ?

4) Kalat State Force, see Wikipedia, Kalat is in present Pakistan Balutchistan.

5) 34th Prince Albert Victor's Own Poona Horse (pre 1903).

6) 61st Cavalry, could be a modern Indian regiment.

7) Shoulder title: Mahratta Light Infantry. In the Indian army the spelling is different (Maratha), but I do not know when they changed.
Before 1947 the title was 5th Mahratta Light Infantry.
And from 1903 - 1922 there were 103rd, 105th and 110th Mahratta L.I. I know not enough of STs to say if these followed the correct title all the time.

8) Hyderabad CTC. Hyderabad was the biggest of the independent states IIRC. Their state forces were incorporated in the Crown's army in 1903. I do not know where CTC stands for.

9) Chaka. The crossed axes is a symbol of Sindh (Pakistan). Chaka or Chak is a town in Sindh, thus I guess this was some local unit.

10) ? I can not decipher the four small parts on the shield, but apart from that it reminds me of the Canadian 7/XI Hussars ........

11) Baroda. Mollo has the Baroda Cavalry and the Baroda Guards (SF), both from 1886.

12) Shoulder title: Outram's. 123rd Outram's Rifles (1903 - 1922).

13) The Chamar Regiment. Existed from 1941 - 1946.

14) 12th Cavalry(Frontier Force) from 1922. n 1927 renamed Sam Browne's Cavalry (Frontier Force). Possibly had the same badge before and after the renaming.

15) Indian Army Ordnance Corps.

16) Service Corps.

17) same as 12).

18) 48. One of either Pakistan's or India's modern armoured regiments. (I will try to find out which of the two).

19) I have no idea.

20) Colar badges as 15).

21) Mekram militia. Modern Pakistan paramilitary. Mekram is the coast region near the Irani border.

22) The Assam Regiment. Raised in 1941 and still existing in the Indian Army.

23) Some pioneer badge, but no idea.

24) Zhob Militia. Raised in 1894. Still part of Pakistan's paramilitary forces (this must be a modernn badge).

25) Chitral Scouts. Raised in 1919.

I now take a rest.

3) 57 F = 57th(HOW)Field Bry 28th Field Brigade India 1926-38


peter

[revdougal]

3. 57th (How) Field Battery RA, of 28th Fd Bde RA, India 1926-38. Should be mounted on the Gunner red/blue diamond.
Does it need a home?

[Lampwick]

Keep going Henk... you're cooking on gas!
Rev. I'm keeping them until I've found out what they're worth. For example Q&C quote £75 for the Gardner's Horse and £60 for the Chitral.

[Wmr-RHB]

26) The Ajmer Regiment. Existed from 1942 - 1946.

27) The picture is not clear enough here, It seems to have roman numerals, but I can not read them.

28) Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides has several subtitles that were shifted now and then. But the badge stayed more or less the same. Also there was an infantry and a cavalry element in the corps, but they wore the same badge.

29) EBSR (of the caption) seems to mean East Bengal State Railway. The Volunteer Rifles belonged probably to yet another type of troops: Auxilary Force. They were made up of European and Anglo-Indian personnel.
There was a Eastern Bengal State Railway Volunteer Rifle Corps in 1903.

30) 1st Punjab Regiment. From 1922 until after independance (to Pakistan).

31) Rajputana Rifles. Modern India (after India abolished all royal connections ca. 1950).

32) 17th Dogra Regiment (after 1922) and The Dogra Regiment (after 1946) until India changed the badge ca. 1950.


33) The text says it all. and in the meantime we know what AF is.

34) I see not enough detail, but when it is Pakistani, I guess it wasn't used for a long time because it still has the British royal crown.

35) see 29).

36) According to Mollo the Assam Rifles (1st - 5th) were raised in 1915 as Police battalions.
There is a lemma about them in Wikipedia. They still are Indian paramiltary.

7) Well known badge, but this is one of the British Army and not Indian Army and name and badge are used from 1949 - 1994.

38) 14th Prince of Wales's Own Scinde Horse (from 1922) and then The Scinde Horse (14th Prince of Wales's Own) (from 1927). The badge changed ca. 1950 when the POW was removed.

39) I guess this Rampur unit belonged to the (SF). (Rampur was a small Himalayan kingdom in nowadays Himachal Pradesh, nice place and nice palaca).

40) The famous fishes of Oudh of the 1st Brahmans (1901/1903 - 1922) (officers).

41) I cite from the web:
"The 15th Gurkha is a mistake. There was never any such Regiment according to the Gurkha Museum, the badge was apparently made in error for the 10th Gurkha Rifles but still worn. Theres a photo of it in the Gurkha Museum booklet"

42) I have no further information. The was a Nilgiri Volunteer Rifles in the AF.

43) No idea.

And on to the next bunch (Sigh ...)

[Wmr-RHB]

For the next badges it is good to know that the Pakistan crest is the moon crescent and star. This often replaces the British royal crown when the badge stays the same otherwise.

But the Star of India was allready used in the British time and is often sill used in modern India. The British royal crown is replaced by the Indian state symbol: the lions of Ashoka.

In both cases that is not only true for cap badges and the like, but also for the rank badges of staff and general officers.

As I have no textual information (barely readable I am afraid), I can not even Google in the wild.

44) Pakistan.

45) Pakistan.

46) Pakistan.

47) The Mahar Regiment. Raised 1941. Still in the Indian Army. The text on the lower scroll seems to be MAHAR MG REGIMENT. The later Indian badge dropped the MG and uses Devanagri script for the name. Thus this is British Indian.

48) Indian, but text unreadable.

49) Pakistan.

50) Pakistan.

51) The Sikh Light Infantry (raised 1941, named as such 1944). The regiment is in the Indian army and still uses the same badge.

52) ARMY ???? Corps with Indian Ashoka lions.

53) 17th Poona Horse in the Indian army. This was the former 17th Queen Victoria's Own Poona Horse.

54) Pakistan Army Educational Corps? Looks very much like the earlier British badge.

55) Does it say Indian Army Service Corps? And of course from the British time.

56) Can not read this medical badge.

57) 19th Kumaon Regiment (from 1945), from 1946 The Kumaon Regiment. The now Indian regiment uses still the same badge.

58) The Sikh Regiment (in Indian service). Stated in 1922 as 11th Sikh Regiment.

59) The Bihar Regiment. Raised in 1941 and now in Indian service. As far as I know this badge was also used before independance.

60) As mentioned above, this is the state symbol of India. On it's own it could be the rank badge of a major (and of course used in ranks above that). But I do not know if size etc. allows this.

61) not sharp, is that a moon crescent and star at the top?

62) Do I read CEYLON there?

63) India.

64) Indian Army Medical Corps.

65) The Jat regiment. This is of course the Indian version, but the IX is still retained from the 1922 name 9th Jat Regiment.

66) Here I have a problem. Similar to one in another thread. There was no regiment with the number 103 in the presidential armies. After 1903 there was the 103rd Mahratta Light Infantry, but that unit did of course not use a grenade as it's badge. ??????????????

67) 3rd Madras Regiment from 1922. Disbanded 1928. Reraised 1941. Became The Madras Regiment in 1946. To India where it still exists.
Nice story: The regiment could not prove that the crown on it's badge was aproved to be worn. Thus the crown was not replaced by the Ashoka lions, but by an elephant.

68) Indian Air Force.

69) 18th King Edward's Own Cavalry (1922) became 18th King Edward VII's Own Cavalry (1936). Later to India and now 18 Cavalry.

70) Not readable, but could be 5th King Edward's Own Probyn's Horse (1922) then Probyn's Horse (King Edward's Own Lancers) (1927) then Probyn's Horse (King Edward VII's Own Lancers) (1936).
Later to Pakistan and became 5th Horse.

71) Pakistan.

72) A medical badge. It couls be that A.K.A. means Azad Kashmir Army. Azad (free) Kashmir had their own establishment for some time.

73) unreadable, but Indian.

74) as 59).

75) as 60), but black. An officers rank badge in a rifle unit?

76) unreadable Pakistani.

77) Pakistani Signals?

78) same as 58)

79) ?

80) ?

Please corrections, additions.

I am a bit out of steam now.

[Lampwick]

Henk.. you want to get out more.. get a social life or a pet You seem to have it all at your fingertips! I'm immensely grateful for your help. I'll PM pics of the ones you were unsure of if that will help. Regards Terry PS AF = armed forces?