Royal Artillery-Possibly shako plate .KK. 801. To be confirmed - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Terra Nova · #1 11-06-23, 01:48 PM

I am wondering about the date of use, and on what type of headdress or other equipment this plate would have been worn. Looking at Kipling & King Number 801, this badge appears to be very similar to the one indicated for the bell-topped shako of 1839 to 1846. There are slight variations from the plate illustrated, notably in the design of the crown. It measures 12.5 cm (5 inches) high X 9.5 cm (3 3/4 inches) wide. It strikes me as a bit small for a bell-topped shako, as indicated, hence this enquiry. A British one-pound coin is placed beneath picture 1 for quick reference.

It is made of gilding metal and the face is well gilded. The cannon and "UBIQUE" scroll are separately applied with three and two, respectively, short, folded-over, retaining pins. There are two retaining wire loop lugs in the east and west positions, centred on the reverse for attachment.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

best wishes to all,

Tim

grenadierguardsman · #2 11-06-23, 08:05 PM

Quality.
Andy

Terra Nova · #3 12-06-23, 11:31 AM

Hi Andy,

I agree that it is a quality piece. They sure produced amazingly exquisite pieces back then. Now to chase the actual use and type of headdress for it's wear to ground. The mission continues.

all the best,

Tim

3dg · #4 12-06-23, 11:50 AM

Hi Tim
A beautiful thing, thank you for sharing

Chris

Terra Nova · #5 12-06-23, 04:24 PM

Hi Chris,

Your comments are much appreciated. I count myself fortunate to have this fine piece in my care.

all the best,

Tim

3dg · #6 12-06-23, 07:34 PM

I've seen a similar plate described as an NCO's RA Shako plate for a Bell Topped, Shako.
Chris

Terra Nova · #7 12-06-23, 07:55 PM

Hi Chris,

You may be right. The only reference that I can find is Kipling and King 801 which illustrates the star (with pebbling to the rays) as the officer pattern for the bell-topped shako 1846-1855. K & K 801A describes the Other Ranks pattern as very similar but with plain rays to the star and in brass. It is possible that an NCO (Sgt-plus ?) could have a plate more elaborate, multi-piece construction, than the standard issue OR and heavily gilded, as here. Any reference would be most welcome, if available. Thank you.

with best wishes,

Tim