Badges for discussion

[Pembird]

Can anybody tell me if the Liverpool badge is good and secondly what is
the elephant badge? Thanks

[irishhorse]

Liverpool badge is a copy, should be die cast.

[Pembird]

Thanks Irishhorse.

[KLR]

No ! the first 1939 officer's was indeed cast but by 1964 the most common version was die struck by Gaunt (it only lasted up to 1967 - even with the KC!)


Here are the different versions 1939 - 1967 (with an optimistic gap for the HMS version!!!!!)


Officers’ Caubeen badges 1939-67, (harps with 8 strings).
Solid die cast silver plated badges, 1939-44
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. JR GAUNT curved upwards / ·LONDON· straight 11.4 x 1.7 / 1.0 on slider, cr 38/4.5. H 51, W 38, Wt 14.48g. <238>
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. JRGAUNTLONDON 11.9 x 1.3 on slider 39/9. H 5.5, W 39.5, Wt 13.40g. <237>
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. Poorly cast. 2 cu EW loops 13. H 49, W 36, Wt 8.83g. <239>

(Solid die cast (assayed) silver badge, 1940-41
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks (fretted) from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. Solid cast silver (JRG&S, anchor = Birmingham, lion = sterling, Q =1940-1), EW loops xx. H xx, W xx, Wt xxg.< >)

Solid die cast (unmarked Gaunt) silver badge, 1940- 41/4 ?
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks (fretted) from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. SILVER on rear centre scroll, slightly curved NS. 2 EW loops 10. H 51, W 36, Wt 13.72g. <240> (identical die to silver Gaunt 1940 badge and a 1941 brooch)

The following three are from different – or damaged – dies (ring at base of l string missing on all)
Die cast frosted silver plated badge, c 1947-64
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. Shallow die cast, frosted silver plate. Slider 37/6. H 51, W 37, Wt 14.43g. <344>


Die struck WM badge, silver plated, c 1947-64
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. Die struck, silver plated including slider 36/4. H 51, W 36, Wt 9.56g. <327>

Die struck WM badge, c 1964-67
-The Harp of Erin l, surmounted by a King’s crown resting on a scroll inscribed ERINꞏGOꞏBRAGH within a wreath of shamrocks from which a bugle horn is suspended. Below a long scroll with the three upper segments inscribed 8TH IRISH BATT / KING’S / REGT L’POOL and the two segments below inscribed SOUTH AFRICA / 1900-1902. Die struck all in white metal, (J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 24.6 x 1.6 large font, on slider 39/-. H 49, W 35, Wt 9.39g. <241>

[leigh kitchen]

The elephant badge - a pouch badge of the Highland Light Infantry?
1st Punjab's wore an elephant over ASSAYE tablet badge, it could be connected with them.
I don't know if it's genuine or not.

[Pembird]

Thank you Julian for that as ever concise answer. I am still perplexed why a 1964 period badge has a Kings crown?

[irishhorse]

Thank Julian for the detailed answer. Always believed the officers die struch badges were dodgy.

[irishhorse]

Dont want to hijack the thread, but what date is this one ?

[Peter Brydon]

The badge with lugs is pre 1922. Note the change in the regiments name on the scrolls of the badge introduced in 1939.

I have never seen a picture where I could identify a die struck white metal cap badge being worn and in my opinion these badges are spurious. If they were worn by officers there would have been hundreds of officers in the battalion if the number of those badges on eBay is anything to go.

P.

[cbuehler]

[QUOTE=leigh kitchen;523224]The elephant badge - a pouch badge of the Highland Light Infantry?
1st Punjab's wore an elephant over ASSAYE tablet badge, it could be connected with them.
I don't know if it's genuine or not.[/QUOTE

I rather don't think it is HLI related; they did not have pouch badges to my knowledge. There were several Indian regiments that wore the elephant with Assaye honor.
That said, I am not sure of it either. The top lug appears to have the infamous spade like feet seen on fakes, and the patina looks a bit forced. An oblique photo of the lugs might help?
PS update....this badge is a phony baloney. There are several elephant badges being flogged on epay and this is one of them, purporting to be a 78th forage cap badge.
CB