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You are welcome, a few other pieces for you re hackles and coloured bonnets.
Hackles/Plumes A Grey plume was authorised for the ful dress "fur cap" by the war office on April 11 1903. A Grey hackle was authorised for wear on the left side of the foreign service helmet in 1934. (It is quoted as being worn unoficially since 1919) contained in file WO 32/12059. However in Badge Backings and Special Embilshments of The British Army it is recoded that 2nd Battalion first adopted the hackle in the FSH while in Egypt in 1904 and the 1st Battalion were wearing it at Malta in 1909 The Grey hackle for pipers was authorised in 1937 (WO 32/12059) but appears to have been worn a few years prior to that judging by photographs. On June 1 1946 the regiment formally asked for permission to wear the grey hackle in the beret. Photographic evidence shows it to have been worn in the GS cap prior to this. With regard to the adoption of the blue caubeen in place of the khaki GS cap. Head dress is not my thing but WO32/12989 REGIMENTAL DRESS AND BADGES GENERAL (CODE43a) Introduction of coloured bonents for Irish Regiments dated 1948/49 in the National Archives might help. John Last edited by John Mulcahy; 15-09-09 at 02:16 AM. Reason: added commentry on the use of hackle in the FSH |
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New Inniskilling Fusiliers - Opinions Please
Hi,
I have attached some pictures of the latest addition to my small (but growing) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers collection. It has no makers mark but it has 5 holes in the rear which I gather is a positive sign. Do you think the badge is genuine? What years do you think it was worn? Assistance very much appreciated. I have also included a copy of the regimental hackle which is another recent addition. Thanks Conor |
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Worth holding on to? Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
I seen this on ebay a few months ago and managed to pick it up for about 3 quid. It was described as being an original WW1 badge but it is in awful condition. It has been polished so much you can hardly read the Inniskilling scroll. The flames have been broken of the grenade and are now held on with a bit of solder. The slider has also had a large portion cut off. On top of this it has no sweat holes and no makers mark. Is it genuine? If it is I think it will do as a gap filler for now. Advice very much appreciated.
Regards Conor |
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Inniskillings
Broken or clipped sliders are generally a sign of badges being taken off a belt, the fact there are no braze holes would not put me off this badge and the fact the flames are held on by lead solder, only make me think that it was on a belt and got damaged. I would keep it until a better one comes along.
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Conor,
I agree with the above, however I would attribute the clipping of sliders, to the introduction of the beret, in that, when fitted, the end of the slider would often protrude below the headband and hence the reason they are found clipped or in some cases folded back on themselves! The other reason, again due to being worn in the beret, was that the beret use to come with a leather sleeve inside, into which the slider/shank was supposed to fit. Often the slider was too long and prevented the badge's slider fitting neatly and again resulted in the clipping! Andy |
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I'm pretty sure that this badge would never have been worn in a beret with the leather sleeve. Most likely a caubeen or an old style GS beret, which I believe didn't have one. I've never seen a caubeen with the sleeve for a slider. Connor, I look upon badges like this as having character. In my opinion, the original owner polished it regularly and had it repaired rather than replaced, so he must have been rather fond of it. It's ones like this that probably saw a bit of service. I would definitely keep and be proud of it. Just my opinion John |
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Could I point out that the design is 1906-26 therefore should not have been worn with a beret or a GS cap.
Alan |
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I stand corrected!
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Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 1926 - 34 White Metal Cap Badge
Hello
Has anyone got pictures of the front and back of a genuine Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 1926-34 White Metal Cap Badge that I could see please. Also, does anyone know of any telling signs of a genuine or restrike badge. Many thanks in advance. Paddy |
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hi paddy,
dont have a pic but look at the website IRISH REGIMENTS of the BRITISH ARMY.theres a great pic of the front of the badge you are looking for as well as all the cap badges of the irish regiments. hope this helps, philip |
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Philip
Many thanks for the link although I think there are a few dubious looking badges on there (brass & WM Royal Ulster Rifles Airborne badges to name but a few). I have a version of the WM 1926-34 badge (pictures attached) but I do not believe it is genuine, if anyone can prove me wrong I wil happily listen. Although my badge has a nice strong slider I think the main body of the badge is too thin, too sharp edged and the points where the Inniskilling scroll joins the turrets are too narrow. Comments welcome Many thanks again Paddy |
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I have this one, that is a very solid badge, and differs in that the bottom of the scroll is not cut away where it joins the castle...The downside is that it is maker marked A.J. Allen (B'ham) Ltd, and looks a little to dark on the back.
Jim |
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Paddy
Below is what I consider to be a genuine badge. Note area where scroll meets the castle. Hope this helps you. Mark |
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A difficult badge to judge in my opinion.
Just like all single metal construction items one has to rely heavily on general indicators such as slider shape, general finish and patina as well as examining the known fakes. I have no reliable indicators for this badge. If you look at the obvious fakes sold by the likes of the British Badge company you notice they produce a sample in brass with the flag pole not connected to the upper scroll. Also to note that the scroll ends are joined to the turrets with a "butt joint" rather than a singe point. http://www.britishbadge.co.uk/produc...oducts_id=1232 This "butt joint" is not an exclusive indicator of a fake as I have seen many samples that I consider good with it. The example I have has the "point type" joint between the scroll and turret and unusually has a WM slider. My badge is very similiar to Paddy's - but has some extra wear to the title scroll. Having had a quick look at the images posted they appear to me at first analysis that they might be from the same die, with possibly some extra voiding done to the scroll attachment in mine and Paddys. I believe it to be genuine - but have no proof positive. comments welcome. John Last edited by John Mulcahy; 27-01-10 at 02:21 AM. |
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