For Sale 11th Border Regiment (Lonsdale Battalion) Brass Cap Badge (Gaunt tablet)

[oc14]

On offer is a 100% genuine, WW1 period brass cap badge for the 11th Battalion of the Border Regiment (The Lonsdale Battalion). Two lugs to the rear and "Gaunt" tablet to the centre of the rear of the upper scroll.
Priced at £100 including UK postage.

Paul

[Luke H]

Sorry Paul but that is not a genuine badge.

[oc14]

Luke

really ? I've searched all the previous threads relating to this badge, the voiding between the neck and wing corresponds with the central positioning of the Gaunt Tablet. I know it's no guarantee but I know that this particular badge hasn't seen the light of day for over 40 years...were they making Gaunt marked copies over 40 years since ???

Paul

[Luke H]

The wing voids aren’t key.

The genuine Gaunt die is different especially the face and lettering size.

Here’s one of mine. The last pic is the common ‘turkey’ bird fake.

[Home Guard]

I also notice more detail showing on the back of yours Luke. Is that what one would want to look for?

Thanks,

Terry

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Home Guard

I also notice more detail showing on the back of yours Luke. Is that what one would want to look for?

Thanks,

Terry

So can I.
Andy

[mm1]

I always thought first pointer on these was the angle of the tail ?

Mark

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by mm1

I always thought first pointer on these was the angle of the tail ?

Mark

Tails can get knocked out of shape every which way Mark so not a method to rely on.

Fake head v’s real head

Fake scroll v’s real scroll (note the linear flaw between L and E of Eleventh)

[Luke H]

Just to add whilst it’s not terribly clear in the pics there will also be differences in the Gaunt plaque which will be identical to the third shown off another fake RND.

Note the lettering alignment where the vertical line of the N is in relation to the T above. Also shape of the ‘o’ is quite distinctive.

Good thread here:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=41774

[mm1]

Much appreciated Luke - information is always welcome.

Mark

[Nobbysr]

Gents a hall marked Gaunt officers if helps... can send a photo of the back/hallmarks if it would help

all the best Steve

I would add that having worked many years with press tools, repairing them and making them, changes in the material, strike pressure and tool wear will have an impact on the final piece . Some forming was done on Flypresses some on Brake presses fed by coil straighteners and the feed needs only to be slightly out and the final strike would look slight different The alloy also affects the detail on the strike . I dont know what QC was like in the M.o.D all those years ago but im sure some shockers got through to the ranks.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Nobbysr

Gents a hall marked Gaunt officers if helps... can send a photo of the back/hallmarks if it would help

all the best Steve

I would add that having worked many years with press tools, repairing them and making them, changes in the material, strike pressure and tool wear will have an impact on the final piece . Some forming was done on Flypresses some on Brake presses fed by coil straighteners and the feed needs only to be slightly out and the final strike would look slight different The alloy also affects the detail on the strike . I dont know what QC was like in the M.o.D all those years ago but im sure some shockers got through to the ranks.

The sliver badge was by Garrard’s the silversmith not Gaunt

Pals badges, bar Liverpool Pals, orders were not via the WO as they were not official so had no Sealed Patterns. Rather they were private orders to a paying customers, in this case Lord Lonsdale.

[KLR]

As the later Lpl Pals were ordered by the WO - Patt 8520/1915 die struck, loops; and Patt 9483/1917 die struck, slider.
(the WO specified that Lpl Pals badges had a brownish patina)


So, like the Lpl Pals, I wonder if later Patterns of the 11th Bn Borders were sanctioned by the WO !?

Though I can't find a dated Sealed Pattern (unless I pay vast amounts to the Regt Museum to see it!) until I get to the NA, IWM or NAM.


(BTW - I need this info for 1st WW Cap Badges - Part 2 is much more complicated than Part 1)