Two Unknown Cloth Diamond Badges

[manchesters]

Hello,

Can anyone please tell me what these are?

If they dont fit one of my themes I will sell them, but cant say as yet because I have no idea.

regards

[manchesters]

So do I win a prize for beating the whole Forum?

regards

[Sock Monkey VC]

They each bear the letter "S", the 19th letter of the alphabet. One is fancier than the other. There, you didn't stump the panel.

[leigh kitchen]

I believe the German SS had a white "S" on black diamond sleeve badge worn by vehicle maintenance NCOs, so wrong colour and I would imagine wrong fabric unless economy measures prevailed.
I checked my only reference on such insignia, "Badges & Insignia of the Third Reich 1933 - 1945" by Brian Leigh Davis and it's not shown.
So unlikely I'm talking about anything to help ID these two badges.

[MH331]

I don’t think they are Great War period just going’s by their construction

[Phil2M]

Something is niggling at me, my brain is saying German naval/marine/merchant navy patches.

[JerryBB]

German was my first thought for these. The SD (SicherheitsDienst) wore triangular sleeve badges

[manchesters]

Thanks for all the comments so far.

regards