Essex and Suffolk Cyclists

[Fatherofthree]

This badge is a fake.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134770797974

Hopefully the lone bidder is not a Forum Member.


Regards.

Brian.

[Fatherofthree]

And another fake , Lockdales forthcoming Auction:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...ab831038fbecae

Regards.

Brian

[Sonofacqms]

Thanks Brian for flagging these up, there is even an Essex and Suffolk Cyclists OSD as a bonus!

Rob

[cbuehler]

If a forum member, his or hers homework is in need. A very obvious phony.

CB

[Home Guard]

Not my area of collecting, but possibly down the road. May I ask what tells us it's a fake please.

Terry

[magpie]

While I know fa about this badge I'd say the slider is wrong for Woodward and probably comes from the same stable as the J&Co etc slidered badges.

[denis pannett]

I find it worrying that the fakes are now putting brazing holes in the badges and the crease on the slider, both of which I used to take as signs of being original badges. It is getting more and more difficult for the average collector to sort out the fakes now especially just from photos on ebay! Thank you to our more experienced members for pointing out the fakes to us before we bid on them, especially when seller says "NO RETURNS" Denis

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by denis pannett

I find it worrying that the fakes are now putting brazing holes in the badges and the crease on the slider, both of which I used to take as signs of being original badges. It is getting more and more difficult for the average collector to sort out the fakes now especially just from photos on ebay! Thank you to our more experienced members for pointing out the fakes to us before we bid on them, especially when seller says "NO RETURNS" Denis

These fakes are nothing new, the Essex & Suffolk Cyclist fake has always had braze holes, just like the Bm Essex Regt with the central turret cutting into the Sphinx’s tablet or Loyal Suffolk Hussars - thankfully they are still a minority.

There was a very helpful thread on Essex and Suffolk Cyclists but it sadly seems to have been deleted.

[Alan O]

Pics for future reference.

[Hoot]

Could someone please say what exactly makes the badge in the opening post a duffer?. It's been referred to as a fake and a phoney but no precise reasons are given as to why that is. I know we have no desire to encourage the fakers but when badges are as well made as the one in question then they obviously need no encouragement. It just gets a bit tiresome when forum members are left in the dark over the exact details of why these badges are so-called fakes.

[Luke H]

There was a very good thread Hoot which pointed out the indicators like the hollow jewels in the crown, differences in the flags etc. Comparison pics of good v’s bad.

Sadly that thread has been deleted else I’d have linked it.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Hoot

Could someone please say what exactly makes the badge in the opening post a duffer?. It's been referred to as a fake and a phoney but no precise reasons are given as to why that is. I know we have no desire to encourage the fakers but when badges are as well made as the one in question then they obviously need no encouragement. It just gets a bit tiresome when forum members are left in the dark over the exact details of why these badges are so-called fakes.

Originally Posted by magpie

While I know fa about this badge I'd say the slider is wrong for Woodward and probably comes from the same stable as the J&Co etc slidered badges.

Hello H,

Hope all is well with you?

I am not knowledgeable enough to comment specifically on the badge itself, but I can help in a small way with regard to (as Andy Magpie alludes) the fake Woodward slider attached to it. Please see links below:


https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...09&postcount=3

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...1&postcount=14

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...0&postcount=21

JT

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by Luke H

There was a very good thread Hoot which pointed out the indicators like the hollow jewels in the crown, differences in the flags etc. Comparison pics of good v’s bad.

Sadly that thread has been deleted else I’d have linked it.

Thanks Luke, the fog is lifting.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

Hello H,

Hope all is well with you?

I am not knowledgeable enough to comment specifically on the badge itself, but I can help in a small way with regard to (as Andy Magpie alludes) the fake Woodward slider attached to it. Please see links below:


https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...09&postcount=3

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...1&postcount=14

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...0&postcount=21

JT

Thanks for that JT. Very interesting and I see what you mean about the spacing of the lettering. I'm not really up on sliders but I know a bit about the Woodward ones now.. All's well this end thanks, same your end I hope. Hoot.