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#1
03-11-20, 02:15 PM
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Firmin packet markings ?
After speaking to Firmin and not getting wholly sensible answers can any member confirm -
ITEM...with a number, is this the amount made at that particular order/run ? And are badges manufactured after the notional end date of a unit ? Made for the collectors market and not the MoD ? Last edited by buttonhole badge; 03-11-20 at 03:26 PM. Reason: spelling 
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03-11-20, 05:01 PM
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Firmins arent that great communicators,I'm still waiting on a reply from an email 3 months ago.
As for the packet markings ,I doubt whether there is a reference to what you asked about . A notional end date for a regiment is just that notional. As we've seen all to often recently ,the new badges arent available to wear immediately. Royal Lancers and Wessex Yeomanry spring to mind. Reserves and cadets wont get a new badge straight off either,so keep wearing your old til we get some.
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#3
03-11-20, 09:28 PM
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Unit Date ITEM No SAS 11/15 ITEM 48 LUOTC 09/09 ITEM 6 ABERDEEN UOTC ITEM 17 AGC 01/11 ITEM 594 INT CORPS 02/14 ITEM 58 QVS DUNBLANE 12/02 ITEM 1 REME 11/11 ITEM 584 WELSH GDS 03/16 ITEM 7 QRL 05/15 ITEM 6 I cannot see what the ITEM number represents. All seem too small and random to be a production quantity, although clearly the Corps have higher numbers. I believe that Chris Marsh was unable to ascertain any actual production quantities for his “No Bull” book despite extensive documentary research. Such information probably being contract and commercially sensitive. Tim
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#4
03-11-20, 09:57 PM
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Some more examples:
LANCS 11/10 ITEM 568 PWO 05/05 ITEM 6 STAFFORDS 12/06 ITEM 7 RGJ 04/05 ITEM 60 R WELSH 07/08 ITEM 1 GIB REGT 09/08 ITEM 4 LT DIV BAND 07/05 ITEM 72 As to the availability to collectors of current issue/recent issue badges - see this thread; https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=72152 Tim
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#5
04-11-20, 07:23 AM
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There have always been a/a badges for sale commercially. The sheer number of SAS a/a cap badges on the market is no small indicator that many a/a badges are made for commercial sale and have not come out of the MOD stocks. In the 1990's there was a hardware shop in Tidworth garrison that stocked cap badges and had a large number of obscure badges in ot's stock. The owner had boxes of badges such as the RSG, ACC etc - all of which no longer existed. Some dealers have moved on to ordering obsolete badges. When they come from the original maker, like Firmin, then you will struggle to identify them.
Ebay has seen a glut of UOTC cap badges recently for the same reason. Alan
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#6
04-11-20, 09:34 AM
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Royal Anglian Cap Badge Item numbers
Based on one badge (NSN 8455994287144), with a slider, all made by firmin, we have the following item numbers on the packets
560,1,14,16. Officers cap badge ( NSN8455991303678 ) have item number 260. Numbers taken this morning from approx 300 badges in there bags.
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#7
04-11-20, 09:41 AM
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Thanks, your list surely proves that these ITEM numbers are completely random! Tim
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