Imperial Service troops -Indian States forces

[gurkharifles]

I was delighted to have won this at auction last week - my main interest was obviously the 1st Gurkhas badge - I've never seen one like it before. However I've started to research the other badges and the one's I've so far been able to identify are all belonging to Indian States forces circa WW1 or inter war years.
The shoulder title in blackened brass with the coats of arms above 1GR belongs to a unit of Gurkhas that were serving with The Nawab of Rampur's State forces - 1924>1931. I'm now thinking that the white metal cap badge with the 1 above crossed kukris - could be the cap badge of the same unit and nothing to do with the 1st Gurkha Rifles? - ( I've sent a photo to Ashok Nath to see want he thinks) - Some of the other badges I've been able to identify or make a pretty good guess at the State with which the unit served if not the actual unit title. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From the top of the sash and then left to right:

1) Jammu & Kashmir State Forces - ( larger and finer than Cox 2617 )
2) The Mir of Kaipur State Forces ?
3) ?
4) Bahawalpur ?
5) Bahawalpur ?
6) Bahawalpur Mounted Rifles (Cox 2623)
7) Rompur Rohilla Lancers (Cox 2646)
8) 2nd Rampur Mounted Infantry ? - shoulder title - 2nd Rampur Murtaza Infantry
9) 1st Rampur ? Infantry - 1st Rampur Raza Infantry
10) 1st Gurkhas ??? - possibly Rompur State Forces
11) ? Travancore States forces ?
12) Rompur Infantry
13) 1GR shoulder title - Rompur State Forces ( 1924>1931)
14) Rampur ?
15) Punjabis ? 4/15th Punjab Regt
16) ? Nabha Akal Infantry

I haven't actually got the badges in my hands yet - but will hopefully be able to post pictures soon. Tim

[peter monahan]

Having trouble seeing the images clearly but #3 may be to a unit of the Mir of Kaipur States Forces [see 'Arctic Medals, Calgary Canada for a similar, I think, coat of arms.]

#15 will bug me all day! I once owned an identical badge but its long gone - to Arctic, I think - and the records didn't survive a computer malfunction a few months ago.

[gurkharifles]

Hi Peter, apologies that the photo's aren't great - I think No.2 with the circle around it is The Mir of Kaipur - but No.3 is a different coat of arms - I think it might be the Personal Bodyguard of the Nawab of Bahawalpur? As for 15# - it's almost identical to the 28th Punjabis ( but I can't see a 28 on the crescent ) - and it would also be at odds with all of the other badges being a regiment of the British Indian Army rather than a states force - unless it's a variant for a Punjabi unit that was serving one of the states ? - looking forward to getting my hands on them and praying that they've all got their lugs still attached! Tim

[pinfrin]

Originally Posted by gurkharifles

I was delighted to have won this at auction last week - my main interest was obviously the 1st Gurkhas badge - I've never seen one like it before. However I've started to research the other badges and the one's I've so far been able to identify are all belonging to Indian States forces circa WW1 or inter war years.
The shoulder title in blackened brass with the coats of arms above 1GR belongs to a unit of Gurkhas that were serving with The Nawab of Rampur's State forces - 1924>1931. I'm now thinking that the white metal cap badge with the 1 above crossed kukris - could be the cap badge of the same unit and nothing to do with the 1st Gurkha Rifles? - ( I've sent a photo to Ashok Nath to see want he thinks) - Some of the other badges I've been able to identify or make a pretty good guess at the State with which the unit served if not the actual unit title. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From the top of the sash and then left to right:

1) Jammu & Kashmir State Forces - ( larger and finer than Cox 2617 )
2) The Mir of Kaipur State Forces ?
3) ?
4) Bahawalpur ?
5) Bahawalpur ?
6) Bahawalpur Mounted Rifles (Cox 2623)
7) Rompur Rohilla Lancers (Cox 2646)
8) 2nd Rampur Mounted Infantry ? - shoulder title - 2nd Rampur Murtaza Infantry
9) 1st Rampur ? Infantry - 1st Rampur Raza Infantry
10) 1st Gurkhas ??? - possibly Rompur State Forces
11) ?
12) Rompur Infantry
13) 1GR shoulder title - Rompur State Forces ( 1924>1931)
14) Rampur ?
15) Punjabis ? 4/15th Punjab Regt
16) ? Nabha Akal Infantry

I haven't actually got the badges in my hands yet - but will hopefully be able to post pictures soon. Tim

It is the Nabha Akal Infantry (1924 - 1954 ? )
The scroll reads 'Nabha Akal Infantry'. Have one.
However, saw a pic of another version, same design,
with scroll 'Akal Sahai' ( error or different period ?)

[peter monahan]

16) ? Nabha Akal Infantry

I'd say 'Of course it is!' but that would look suspicious, after the fact, so I'll say 'Sounds right.'

[gurkharifles]

Peter
The only reference book I've seen with images of some of the badges is COX's - so I have no idea how rare or otherwise some of these badges are - I must admit I'd not even heard of some of the units let alone seen their insignia! Is there anywhere else to look? I'm probably going to move on the none Gurkha badges. Tim

[Khyber]

Not to douse the fire but none particualary rare I think except the Mir of Kairpur (if that is what it is) Have seen all the others at one time or other and they do pop up once in a while. the Bahawalpur badges frequently turn up on ebay Pakistan...

[Khyber]

And the last but one is a collar badge of the Sikh Regiment, pre-1947

[peter monahan]

I had a smattering of State Forces in my collection, back when I had the L, $, E for collecting badges but from this side of the Atlantic [Canada] I get the impression they've never been common outside the sub-continent. Some of the units have interesting histories, though, in the two World Wars and many have been subsumed into the Indian Army's vast multi-battalion units. But, yes, very frustrating to try and research.

[koi_hai]

Originally Posted by gurkharifles

Peter
The only reference book I've seen with images of some of the badges is COX's - so I have no idea how rare or otherwise some of these badges are - I must admit I'd not even heard of some of the units let alone seen their insignia! Is there anywhere else to look? I'm probably going to move on the none Gurkha badges. Tim

May I suggest you look at 'Maharaj's Paltans' by Richard Head and Tony McClenaghan? Most of these badges are illustrated there with detailed unit histories.

[gurkharifles]

Hi there- I’ve not got a copy of the book- could you tell me if the Gurkha badges to the Rampur forces are illustrated?

[pinfrin]

Originally Posted by pinfrin

It is the Nabha Akal Infantry (1924 - 1954 ? )
The scroll reads 'Nabha Akal Infantry'. Have one.
However, saw a pic of another version, same design,
with scroll 'Akal Sahai' ( error or different period ?)

Attd
(a) a NAI badge pic
(b) NAI version with different text (error or ??)
(c) Pic of N. State coat of Arms with text in translation as at (b)

(b) does not appear in Richard Head's book.

[gurkharifles]

I've just received the badges and suffice to say I'm delighted (and relieved) to say that they're all in good condition with lugs intact and I believe I can now attribute them with greater accuracy ( and support from forum members) - there are still a few mysteries which if anyone can help further please chip in.

Photos 1/2
Jammu & Kashmir State Forces - ( larger and finer than Cox 2617 ) - Pretty sure its silver - finely die struck badge mounted on a brass plate - interestingly the brass plate is meant to be seen as the crest is mounted on the plate and the lugs mounted to the plate.Photos 3/4
The Mir of Kaipur State Forces ? Been advised its the Faridkot Imperial Service Sappers [/COLOR] - quite heavy cast badge - circle is almost certainly toned silver.
Rather fine silver badge to Cochin (Raja of) Tranvancore (The Maharaja of) same as Cox 2622 - although this is silver not white metal - it has a nice reinforcing band running through the wreath.
Photos 5/6
Bahawalpur States Cap badge?
Bahawalpur States collar badge?
Photos 7/8
[Bahawalpur Mounted Rifles (Cox 2623) - shoulder title determined whether it was the mounted rifles or camel corps - cap badge was the same - crisp die struck pos silver
Photos 9/10
Rompur Rohilla Lancers (Cox 2646) - Finely cast badge w/m
Photos 11/12
- [COLOR="Blue"]shoulder title ?- 2nd Rampur Murtaza Infantry
1st Rampur Raza Infantry
Photos 13/14
1st Gurkha Coy - Rompur State Forces cap badge and shoulder title 1924>1931


I'll upload the rest later - my interest is only Gurkhas - so if any members have an interest in any of the other badges let me know - my preference would be exchange for Gurkha items - if not make me an offer - Tim

[gurkharifles]

Part two:

Photos 1/2
1st Rampur Infantry crisp cast gilt brass cap badge , Rampur State Artillery fine cast brass badge with 3 lugs.


Photos 3/4

Small cast brass cap badge or collar to the Bodyguard of The Nawab of Bahawalpur ( I think? )

Small well cast silver(?) cap badge or collar to Nabha Akal Infantry - NB slightly different scroll to the one shown by another forum member this one reads AKALINFANY NABHA

4/15th Punjab Regt - collar badge cast brass