H.G&S Maker Mark?

[Phil2M]

Hi all,

An aquisition from the Chelmsford Militaria Fair today, a very rushed pre-work visit which made me 1/2 hour late

Anybody seen this mark before? Its on a 1916 economy RWF. It doesn't appear to be in the maker mark section.

Cheers,

Phil

[fougasse1940]

Yes, seen before on a RSDG badge. Could be H. Gill, 52 Hylton St, Birmingham???

Rgds, Thomas.

[Phil2M]

Thanks Thomas

[Alex Rice]

That looks like a great new mark for the Makers Marks project for the forum.
Cheers,
Alex

[Chipper]

From a Silver hallmark website:

"Henry Griffith & Sons
The business, commenced in Birmingham by Henry Griffith in 1850, was continued as Henry Griffith & Sons (until 1898) and later as Henry Griffith & Sons Ltd"

HG&S was their silver hallmark... Maybe them??

Cheers, Tim

[fougasse1940]

My guess is based on the excellent work done by 'Ticker' Riley here: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=15609 It fits the economy badges period. Henry Griffith & Sons is not on that list.

Rgds, Thomas.

[fairlie63]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

My guess is based on the excellent work done by 'Ticker' Riley here: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=15609 It fits the economy badges period. Henry Griffith & Sons is not on that list.

Rgds, Thomas.

In regard to maker's marks for H. Gill, on the Australian Siege Brigade hat badge in my collection is H.GILL BIRMINGHAM in raised letters across the back of the badge.

I am not certain if orders for these badges might have been placed separately by the Australian system or through the British contract system.

Keith

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Phil2M

Hi all,

An aquisition from the Chelmsford Militaria Fair today, a very rushed pre-work visit which made me 1/2 hour late

Anybody seen this mark before? Its on a 1916 economy RWF. It doesn't appear to be in the maker mark section.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil,
can you show the front please, as if there is a rose shaped device at 6 o'clock (?) with a central dot, then you've picked up a spurious item! And the mark is there for one purpose and one purpose only, and I suspect in this case it worked!!

Sorry

Andy

[Phil2M]

Thanks all for your replies. Seems Andy may have just blown this one out of the water.

[magpie]

I've got a 6dg inneskillings with this mark that I got with some others and I've never thought it as good so sits out in my shed in a box of junk.

[Phil2M]

Hi Andy,

I thought the quality of this one was very good. I think I will stick with Police etc from now on, but even they are being faked.

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Phil2M

Hi Andy,

I thought the quality of this one was very good. I think I will stick with Police etc from now on, but even they are being faked.

Phil,
as I thought, it is Fake sorry... so a "Fakers" Mark rather than a Maker or Retailer's Mark.

Thanks for the reply and for reference the same strike can be found with a hairline die fault running through "ROYAL"

Andy

[Luke H]

For members reference another to add to the HG&S hall of shame.

The mark, similar to the A.J. ALLEN fakes is finer, deeper and squarer font than most of the common fake/fantasy repro mark cohort discussed here https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=Armfield

[Frank Kelley]

Without that mark, at a glance, it would be quite convincing, just another 1916 RWF.

Originally Posted by Phil2M

Hi Andy,

I thought the quality of this one was very good. I think I will stick with Police etc from now on, but even they are being faked.

[Luke H]

Another HG&S repro, this time a wm Bedfordshire.