Medal Ribbon ID

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

This is Lt. Basil Beresford Griffin. He entered France as a 2nd/Lt (Leics PAO Yeo) on the 15th of June 1915. He is then attached to the 7th MGC/C Sqn in 1917/18 and finished the war as Lt. Gazetted (London) on the 5th July 1919, attached 7th Squadron MGC.

Can anyone ID the medal ribbon? Is it the 1915 Star?

[leigh kitchen]

MC?

Edit, no, looks like he wasn't awarded a MC.
Id've suggested TFWM, but there's no mention of it on his MIC.

I would imagine that you've got this info:



First Name:
B.B.
Surname:
Griffin
Nationality:
British
Information:
Employed with Machine Gun Corps.
Rank:
Lieutenant
Regiment:
Regiment of Yeomanry, Leicestershire (Prince Albert's Own) (Hussars)
Seniority Date:
01-Jun-16
UK Army List 1918

First Name:
B B
Surname:
Griffin
Further Information:
m.Certificate of the Gunnery Staff Course or specially selected as qualified on account of service as Instructor in Gunnery. Officers holding the Gunnery Staff Course Certificate who subsequent to 1922 qualified in coast defence and/or anti-aifcraft gunnery are indicated by the addition of an asterisk and/or a dagger respectively to the symbol g.,
Rank:
2nd Lieutenant
Service:
British Army
Primary Unit:
Leicestershire Yeomanry (Prince Albert's Own)
Archive Reference:
1916 Army List
Seniority Date:
15/02/1915
Collection:
UK Army List 1916


First Name:
B B
Surname:
Griffin
Nationality:
British
Rank:
Lieutenant
Rank (2nd):
Lieutenant
Service:
British Army
Regiment:
Lincolnshire Yeomanry
Battalion:
Machine Gun Corps
Seniority Date:
1.6.16
Collection:
UK Army List 1918



First Name:
B B
Surname:
Griffin
Information:
Attached to 7th Squadron Machine Gun Corps.
Rank:
Lieutenant
Gallantry Awards:
Mentioned In Despatches
Gazette Info:
Gazette issue 31435. Mentioned in Despatches. Despatch received from Field-Marshall Sir Douglas Haig, K.T., G.C.B., O.M., G.C.V.O., K.C.I.E., Commander-in-Chief, the British Armies in France. I have the honour to submit the name of this person, who served under my command during the period 16th September, 1918, to 15th March, 1919, whose distinguished and gallant services and devotion to duty I consider deserving of special mention.
Gazette Date:
04/07/1919
Gazette Page:
8504
Duty Location:
France
Service:
British Army
Regiment:
Leicestershire Yeomanry
Battalion:
Territorial Force
Collection:
Gazetted Awards and Mentions in Despatches




First Name:
Basil Beresford
Surname:
Griffin
Regiments served with:
Unit Rank Service Number
Leicestershire Yeomanry Second Lieutenant
Machine Gun Squadron Lieutenant
Archive Reference:
WO 372/8/149292

[GriffMJ]

Thanks Leigh.... I didnt have the MID bit on him I can only think that the medal ribbon must be the 1915 star. The photo was taken post war by the looks (soon after)?

Trouble is..... there is no blend of colours at the sides..... it looks like straight edges?

[GriffMJ]

Here is the medal ribbon in hi def...... its not the 15 star.

Left (Auto Contrast) right (contrast as per photo)...... is it the DSO?

[leigh kitchen]

I think it's BWM.
(I don't know where I was coming from with my reversed colours MC suggestion).

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

I think it's BWM.
(I don't know where I was coming from with my reversed colours MC suggestion).

Maybe... maybe.... on the auto contrast image. Its odd that he would wear just that one though. I will go with that one....

[Alan O]

He would have been wearing the 1914/15 Star ribbon on its own in 1917 but not the Victory and BWM until 1919 so it is unlikely to be the BWM on its own.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Alan O

He would have been wearing the 1914/15 Star ribbon on its own in 1917 but not the Victory and BWM until 1919 so it is unlikely to be the BWM on its own.

The photo is taken in the 1919 period

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Maybe... maybe.... on the auto contrast image. Its odd that he would wear just that one though. I will go with that one....

Yes, seems odd. The only medal ribbon he could find? That seems unlikely.

[Sonofacqms]

I'd say British War Medal by the colours.

Rob

[Sonofacqms]

Ditto

[grenadierguardsman]

Its the British War Medal.
Andy

[GriffMJ]

Thanks chaps

Here he is.... with a bit of colour in his face. LYPAO buttons with his MGC/C insignia.

* When did they start wearing the pips on the shoulder straps? That should bracket the photo date as well.

[fougasse1940]

ACI 1814 of 13th December 1917 introduced officers rank badges on the shoulder straps or on the cuffs during the continuance of the war and at the option of the individual.
Guards officers already wore rank badges on the shoulder straps.

Rgds, Thomas

[grumpy]

Am I missing something?The original photo may be the man in question.
The film used is almost certainly orthochromatic. Ortho renders red orange yellow virtually black, yet the colouriser has rendered the pale centre part yellow.
Has he/she wrongly made a best guess of the BWM? Pale usually means white or pale blue, green at a pinch, or a silvery texture.

Again, if the subject is the man in question, any single ribbon should be 1914-15 star, on the assumption that the BWM and VM ribbons had not yet been authorised [fits 1919 just about]
Either way, more research needed.
And where is the MiD oakleaf?
Is this Baz?