C.S.C Canadian Brass Title???? Signals or Cadets

[Walt P]

Chris Brooker recently sold a C.S.C brass title on eBay, describing it as being attributed to Cadet Services Canada. The following link refers:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CANADA-Metal...:X:AAQ:US:1123

A number of years ago, I purchased a pair of the same titles from Mr. Brooker (NOT cheap), because he had informed me that they were post WWI badges to the Canadian Signal Corps.

I sent Mr. Brooker an e-mail asking for clarification, but have not received a response.

Mazeas's books do not document this badge, and The Charlton Catalogue of First World War Canadian Corps Badges lists this insignia as being representative of Canadian Sigs.

My question is: SIGS or CADETS???? I would appreciate any assistance in solving this conundrum! Cheers,

Walt

[Pylon1357]

Walt, from my notes,I have these listed as Canadian Signal Corps. my notes have no attributeable references, I have these listed as being used in 1921, then replaced by the Brass Title RCCS

[Bill A]

Morning Walt. I reviewed the Dress Instructions file for the RCCS and Cadet Services.
Reviewing the organization of the RCCS, it was noted that the militia component of the corps was designated the Canadian Signal Corps from 1913 until 1921. The abbreviation C.S.C was in use until 1922. At that time the militia designation was changed to CC of S. (Sorry, typed wrong abbreviation, it should be as reads, not CC of C.) There was no record of a metal shoulder title being authorized for that designation. The C.S.C. titles are reported to have been worn by the CEF Signals contingents.

There was no specific metal shoulder title mentioned for Cadet Services until authorized in 1956. It was the pattern that read C S of C. All previous GO authorizing badges for the Cadet Services described a cap badge, collars and buttons but no shoulder title. Of interest the collar badge authorized for Cadet Services circa 1925 was the general service collar badge.

It would seem that the one you have is a Signal's badge.

[Joe C]

Walt,

I am digging but I haven't found my reference yet...... I am currently away on TD and so only have access to my electronic files. I don't know if what I recall having is electronic or paper so....

Regardless, as Bill says, I don't believe there was any specific authorization for CSC titles. I do recall seeing however a primary document with a list of shoulder titles that included CSC amongst other well known titles. I don't recall the exact context, if it was a list for disposal or a list of those in use. I suppose it doesn't prove much either way but I wouldn't expect a Cadet title to figure in a list of CEF titles, if that's what the doc turns out to support.

Bottom line is: I've seen your question and am chasing an answer!

Edit: Does anyone have Brooker's books handy to look up: Brooker 229-14-208 and see if an authority or other reference is provided?

Joe

[Bill A]

Thanks for the additional thoughts Joe. To which Brooker books are you referring?
In Joe Harper's A Source of Pride the titles for the signallers are listed as SIGNAL or CANADIAN / SIGNAL CORPS. He does not list the C.S.C. title as being worn by the CEF. It may be the CSC title was for the militia units only. The files I have from archives only go back to circa 1918.

[shootemup]

As Bill as already pointed out, definitely not a title for the Corps of School Cadet Instructors (1909-1921) or the Cadet Services of Canada (1924-Unification). I have previously seen these titles misdescribed as Cadet Services titles and sell for obscene amounts, even though the authorized titles for cadet instructors was CSofC, and not until '56. I have some early 50's dated original cadet instructor uniforms with GS collars and Canada brass titles.

Thought: Did the Correctional Service of Canada ever wear an unilingual brass shoulder title?