Spurious Gaunt London Plates on RND badges

[badger123]

A couple of good uns.

[2747andy]

I think the key is to be cautious of thick plates with nice neat/rectangular edges!


Andy

[badger123]

I agree, real ones seem to be irregular in shape.

Any idea where or who these fake ones are coming from?

[Keith Blakeman]

I can't believe it's taken this long for it to become apparent that Gaunt plates have been faked.

[badger123]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

I can't believe it's taken this long for it to become apparent that Gaunt plates have been faked.

It hasn't. Its just that someone saw some on a dealers website, notified the dealer and alerted the forum that some where currently doing the rounds.

Nothing wrong with just reminding people every now and then of what fakes are out there.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by badger123

It hasn't. Its just that someone saw some on a dealers website, notified the dealer and alerted the forum that some where currently doing the rounds.

Nothing wrong with just reminding people every now and then of what fakes are out there.

Currently? More like always, not so much on respectable dealers sites but certainly on ebay.

[badger123]

When they appear in dribs and drabs that's one thing but when a few turn up fairly close together, maybe we should be suspicious that someone has either released some old ones onto the market or a new batch has been made and released.

I agree about ebay which ALWAYS should be treated with caution but it doesn't hurt to remind people does it?

Ivan

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Nozzer

I will get a close up tomorrow.......

A close up of the Hertfordshire plus a Notts & Derby.

Hi All
First of all may I congratulate all who have posted in this thread.
A fantastic piece of work for which will definitely help a novice like me.

Now would I be correct in saying this is one of those NOT CORRECT PLATE badges.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAP-BADGES...item3f3c0791f8

I have not got the eye most of you have but at the moment I think its wrong.
BUT I am sure I can only make mistakes until I can get my eye in (so to speak)

Thanks All
Paul

[manchesters]

Paul,

As someone who knows as much as you about these plates and having read whats gone before I think interpret the shallow lettering to indicate a good plate despite the angles corners.

The badge is Victorian/Edwardian with its 2 loops, but £55!!!

He's having a laugh at that price.

regards

[2747andy]

The KLR badge shown in the link is genuine and so is the plate! The badge is also worth what the seller is asking and despite having lugs it is a rather scarce Pagri badge ! (I wonder how long it is now until it is sold!!)

Andy

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Major Dundee

Now would I be correct in saying this is one of those NOT CORRECT PLATE badges.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAP-BADGES...item3f3c0791f8

Originally Posted by manchesters

The badge is Victorian/Edwardian with its 2 loops, but £55!!!

He's having a laugh at that price.

regards

There is information on the badge shown in the link above here http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ht=kings+loops

[Alan O]

KLR has the detail but it is a regimentally approved and procured badge used by the Regular bns of the King's Regt in lieu of the official horse up to 1926. It's design is the one that the post 1926 sealed pattern design was based on. As it was a regtl purchase rather than a WD official order, Gaunt added the plates; presumably to encourage future orders with them.

As such it was worn on the pagri as a picture my FSH album shows. It was also worn on other headgear.

[2747andy]

Here are two more examples, despite being poorly struck and in the case of the first double struck. The Warwicks Vols and a Genuine Hood Bn which despite looking so bright is right! Note how thin these plates are, you'd have a devil of a job prizing one off without causing noticeable damage! Both badges by the way came from eBay !

Andy

[KLR]

Worn on the cap and helmet. Definitely before 1903 but I'm still not sure when it was introduced (the collar badges of this type date to 1896). there are quite a number of different strikes and they also appear with sliders - which don't need plaques as the maker is on the slider. Still fairly common but yes, the price has rocketed recently.

I should have said that it is known as the "foreign service badge" - ie worn by the 1st and 2nd Bns when they were in India or other stations, though they have appeared in photographs taken in the UK.

I had forgotten that early thread cited by Nozzer, I have done a bit more research now but mostly concerning details - I'm still searching for the date of introduction !!!