Hussar badges

[Cherrypicker]

Hello, here are three badges:15th/19th Hussars, 13th Hussars and 19th Hussars. First two I bought in Paris with some others. 19th Hussars badge I bought on ebay. Could you tell me are they restrikes or the original ones? 15th/19th is the cast one, others are stamped.

[bgpipes]

In the case of British badges, it would seem that restrikes have taken over the hobby. I was in a coin-badge shop in the UK once, several years ago, and the owner there had 3 large beer barrels full of badges, there were random specimens,Victorian crown pieces,Kings crown pieces,everything but currently worn ones. All restrikes! at 1 pound apiece. That got me OUT of the Brit badge hobby.

[Luke H]

I would agree they look like repros to me, sadly these days the market is full of restrikes or copies being made then weathered to decieve, its not the sort of hobby that is beginner friendly any more unfortunatey.

Luke

[Cherrypicker]

Thank you for your opinions, gentlemen. How did you identify that these badges are restrikes? By which signs? Could it be that 13th and 19th badges had been keeped in good conditions? I've seen original French military objects of the 19th century in a perfect state.
Here are all my British hussar badges. Question is the same. Links are below.
http://i048.radikal.ru/0801/5f/3081092928dc.jpg
http://i030.radikal.ru/0801/53/92f36fee06f4.jpg

[Mike]

made a rough cut and past job comparison photo re 19th H, your badge and a good'un (hope you dont mind me using your pic)

lots of differences - width of the top of the cross -should extend past the sides of the "A". Width of the base of the crown, ball on the top of the crown (coronet), etc.




actually cherrypicker can I keep this image (its half yours!) as I would like to stick it on a permanent page.

[Alan O]

My genuine one has a hairpin slider that is doubled over which reinforces the ncek and are cut in around it (like the Loyal Regt badge). All the copies I have seen have normal sliders.

Alan

[Mike]

[Mike]

and an ebay restrike (copy to be more accurate) being sold as such , again with the narrow bottom to the coronet and narrow cross top

19th hussars



Interesting to note in vol 1 of K&K this crown is actually called simply "a crown", but in vol 2 the description becomes coronet (no actual change in the badge and the same photo is used) the crown on the copy above looks much more like the style of victorian crown found on some of the first type badges such as the HLI and East Surrey, which I assume are in fact princess victoria's coronets, and the 19th hussars obviously symbolic of princess alexandra's coronet.

[Alan O]

Nigel,

The 3rd Hussars has the incorrect type of scroll seen on all the fakes but not on any image in any refernce book. The scroll is too deep and the void between its top and the underside of the grong too big. The original badges shown in the books and from the best dealers are much shallower.

Alam

[Alan O]

It took me 2 years to find a good one and even then the slider has been clipped.

Alan

[Cherrypicker]

Administrator, of course, you can use my image.
Saddle tree maker, yes all badges are strong and to say the truth I didn't try to bend them strongly. Where must be this brazing hole? About the 18th badge I know nothing why it's in the state like this, maybe someone specially deteriorated it, the slider is cut off. Can someone post the image of the genuine badge of the 3rd Hussars pattern before 1921?
regards,
Michael

[Malcolm Davey]

I would scan my badge but it is mounted on the wall with others, so here is Keith's badge, i'm sure he wont mind me posting it.
Like yours Alan my slider is also clipped.

Cheers
Malc

[Cherrypicker]

Yes, there is a brazing hole.
Gentlemen, could it be that the badge is not genuine completely, I mean, for example, the crown or other part of it is a restrike and all other are genuine? Cheers,
Michael

[Malcolm Davey]

Originally Posted by Saddle tree maker

Hi Michael,
The brazing hole should be behind the crown.
Sorry, it looked like the 18th had lugs N/S and they had been removed, but even if the badge was slidered, I would expect the crown to be voided.
Cheers, Nigel.

I'm getting confused here, which version of the 18th hussars would have a sweat hole ??, do you mean the 8th Royal Irish Hussars ?

Cheers
Malc

[Cherrypicker]

Here is a badge to sell from e-bay. Could you tell is it genuine or a copy?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORIGINAL-15TH-...QQcmdZViewItem

Cheers,
Michael