Instructor or Prize Badge? Correct arm?

[Postwarden]

An interesting study of a long-serving Sgt, possibly with a Light Infantry regt.

Grumpy's great work identifies this as either a prize badge or the badge of a Musketry Instructor.

Can anyone confirm which this might be?

Jon

[Hawthorn]

I believe it is the Colour Sergeant Instructor Musketry badge for those Battalion Instructors in possession of a School of Musketry Certificate.
Qualified Sergeants having the same badge less the Crown.

Simon.

[grumpy]

it is not a prize badge when worn upper arm, so I suppose he is a colour sergeant instructor, albeit wearing the badge on the wrong sleeve.

I am away from my references but need to wonder aloud if he is School of Musketry/ Small Arms School etc, who may well wear the badge on both sleeves.
An expert will be along soon .....

[manchesters]

I think you are the expert, and I agree, not a prize badge.

reagrds

[badjez]

Jon,

I have noted that the GM Rifles, crossed with Crown were worn as prize badges on both arms, either above or below the elbow, however your man has an embroidered badge.

Regulations for the TF & County Associations 1908 (Provisional) state the Rifle with Crown and wreath was a prize badge worn on the lower left arm.

Territorial Force Regulations 1910, Section 9- Uniform, equipment, decorations and Medals, etc. Para494. Badges for skill-at-arms etc., will be of similar design [to the Geneva Cross para. 493.] , and worn in a corresponding manner, to those of the regular army, except that in all cases … silver embroidery will be substituted for gold embroidery, and WM for gold [gilt]
Para. 493 relates to Walking-out Dress, where the edging will be silver embroidery instead of gold for NCO, and white instead of yellow for buglers and privates, except where gold lace has been sanctioned.

10.05.39. ACI 252: Surplus stock existed of badges of rank and skills-at-Arms badges originally manufactured for Coronation Dress. These were made available to soldiers of the Regular Army, SR and TA for wear on Service Dress worn for walking out.

Stephen.

[manchesters]

"I have noted that the GM Rifles, crossed with Crown were worn as prize badges on both arms, either above or below the elbow, however your man has an embroidered badge".

Stephen,

Where have you noted this because in 50 years of collecting them I have never seen or heard of a prize badge being worn anywhere other then below the elbow?

regards

[badjez]

Simon,

The trouble with a lot of my older notes is that I never used to note where I found the information, which makes answering your challenge a challenge. I've amended my notes on the subject now.

However, Edwards & Langley noted on page 35 that theoretically a Sgt Instructor of Musketry could wear four crossed rifles, with crowns simultaneously.


Stephen.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by badjez

Simon,

The trouble with a lot of my older notes is that I never used to note where I found the information, which makes answering your challenge a challenge. I've amended my notes on the subject now.

However, Edwards & Langley noted on page 35 that theoretically a Sgt Instructor of Musketry could wear four crossed rifles, with crowns simultaneously.


Stephen.

Thats true, BUT, out of the 4, the prize badge was worn on the lower arm.

regards